WikiWirral its great, register, enjoy and welcome.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,007,841
Topics74,539
Members12,742
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs45
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
53 registered members (alan128, 11 invisible), 1,121 guests, and345 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
How The Victorians Built Britain - Sewers
by diggingdeeper. 8th Sep 2018 11:09pm
Bavarian Cleavages !
by granny. 8th Sep 2018 11:48am
Mr Jeremy Fisher 2017 50p piece
by Peter0787. 7th Sep 2018 12:35pm
River Mersey
by granny. 6th Sep 2018 11:34pm
New Wirral History
Mersey Tunnel tolls, 1934
by yoller. 21st Sep 2018 9:32am
Family tree
by Hannah90. 5th Sep 2018 6:02pm
When were Ivy Street houses built?
by yoller. 28th Aug 2018 4:40pm
Hope Street New Brighton
by cutespam. 25th Aug 2018 10:00pm
1970's Murder in Central Park, Wallasey
by cutespam. 4th Aug 2018 11:28am
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
No more bridge, never be the same
Over Exposed Crash Site
Topic Replies
Labour Party Conference - Liverpool
by granny. 24th Sep 2018 1:40am
What song are you listening to?
by Dilly. 23rd Sep 2018 8:50pm
£795,000 for a football pitch ?
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 11:07pm
More threats to Wirral's Green Belt
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 7:48pm
Salt and Blood Pressure
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 7:42pm
Ipad mini
by lincle. 22nd Sep 2018 7:29pm
Mersey Tunnel tolls, 1934
by yoller. 22nd Sep 2018 7:18pm
M53 Junction 1
by Moonstar. 22nd Sep 2018 2:58pm
Electric Bass Guitar / and amp
by gerrymoore. 22nd Sep 2018 8:54am
September
M T W T F S S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Giant Puppets Wirral
by oldpm01. 13th Sep 2018 3:53pm
Wirral Heritage Week
by granny. 10th Sep 2018 9:31am
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Date these pictures of Birkenhead #696743
26th May 2012 2:35pm
26th May 2012 2:35pm
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 485
New Ferry
C
chris7777 Offline OP
Smartchild
chris7777  Offline OP
Smartchild
C
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 485
New Ferry
Found these in a book at the librarie the other day, can anyone date them,i know there early 1900s, i took the pics with my mobile but never took note of the dates.

Attached Files
Last edited by Mark; 27th May 2012 8:30am. Reason: renamed
Google Ads
Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777] #696744
26th May 2012 2:40pm
26th May 2012 2:40pm
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 485
New Ferry
C
chris7777 Offline OP
Smartchild
chris7777  Offline OP
Smartchild
C
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 485
New Ferry
1st one is heading towards hamilton square station,
2nd is tha booking hall hamilton square,
3rd is B,head central,
4th outside B,head central
and the 5th is B,head central, maybe someone recognises the man??


Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777] #696758
26th May 2012 4:51pm
26th May 2012 4:51pm
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 23
Wirral
M
Manowar1952 Offline
Newbeee
Manowar1952  Offline
Newbeee
M
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 23
Wirral
No 3 is Birkenhead Park Station, I would say.
Thanks for posting the pictures.

Last edited by Manowar1952; 26th May 2012 4:53pm.
Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: Manowar1952] #696761
26th May 2012 5:05pm
26th May 2012 5:05pm
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
shropshire
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran
chriskay  Offline
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
shropshire
No.3 is definitely Birkenhead Central; apart from anything else, the platforms at Park have no curve and you can see the workshops on the right. As far as date goes, the last pic. is pre electrification in 1903, (assuming the loco is still in service).
No.4 is between the date of the erection of the memorial clock in 1910 and its moving in 1929.


Carpe diem.
Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777] #696763
26th May 2012 5:14pm
26th May 2012 5:14pm

P
Pinzgauer
Unregistered
Pinzgauer
Unregistered
P


No.3 is B'head Central. No bout adoubt it. Park has straight track through, not on a curve. BC car stabling sheds on right of pic. Argyle Street baths chimney just visible on top left of picture. The unequal length of the platform canopies are another giveaway.

Sorry. Post overlap with Chris's. My slow typing !!!



Last edited by Pinzgauer; 26th May 2012 5:18pm.
Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777] #696765
26th May 2012 5:22pm
26th May 2012 5:22pm
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 209
Pensby
8
8HBob Offline
Addict
8HBob  Offline
Addict
8
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 209
Pensby
The loco pictured at Birkenhead Central, no. 6 'Fox' was named after Charles Douglas Fox, the engineer for the railway.
The loco was sold in January 1905 to Alexandra Docks & Railway Co. at Newport , South Wales & ran until January 1923. Prior to withdrawal the company had been absorbed into the Great Western Railway, the loco being allocated no.1344 but never actually carrying the plates.
The locos. bought by the company had their condensing gear removed & proper cabs fitted. They were used for bringing heavy coal trains from the valleys to Newport docks.

Bob.

Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777] #696778
26th May 2012 6:27pm
26th May 2012 6:27pm
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 243
Pensby
Paintboffin Offline
Addict
Paintboffin  Offline
Addict
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 243
Pensby
The train driver used to wear a bowler hat and were quite well respected in their day, a bit like an airline pilot of today, according to my Dad they they also used to carry a little box as shown in this photo, I think it was the drivers butty box.

PB

Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777] #696790
26th May 2012 7:15pm
26th May 2012 7:15pm
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 485
New Ferry
C
chris7777 Offline OP
Smartchild
chris7777  Offline OP
Smartchild
C
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 485
New Ferry
thanks for all your replys, all very interesting.

Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chriskay] #698045
31st May 2012 12:51pm
31st May 2012 12:51pm
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4
Leasowe
D
DonJ43 Offline
Beginner
DonJ43  Offline
Beginner
D
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 4
Leasowe
Behind the loco you can see one of the electric cars that worked from Birkenhead Central and Birkenhead Park through to Liverpool James Street and later Liverpool Central while the trains from Birkenhead Central to Rock Ferry and Birkenhead Park to West Kirby; New Brighton and to Seacombe were operated using steam locomotives like the Fox.
Other electric cars can be seen to the right in picture 3.
The track under the Mersey was the first electrified track in Britain and was electrified by power produced at Hamilton Square from about the 1860's

Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: DonJ43] #698052
31st May 2012 1:15pm
31st May 2012 1:15pm
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 671
Wallasey
Norton Online Reading

Veteran
Norton  Online Reading

Veteran
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 671
Wallasey
The rail tunnel from Green Lane to James St openned in 1886.
The Company electrified its system, now extending from Liverpool Central to Birkenhead Park and also to Rock Ferry stations, in 1903.

Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: DonJ43] #698078
31st May 2012 2:22pm
31st May 2012 2:22pm
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
shropshire
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran
chriskay  Offline
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
shropshire
Originally Posted by DonJ43

The track under the Mersey was the first electrified track in Britain and was electrified by power produced at Hamilton Square from about the 1860's


Actually, the City and South London Railway, 1890, and the Liverpool Overhead, 1893, preceded the Mersey Railway with electric traction.
The chimney of the Shore Road generating station can be seen in the first picture of this thread.


Carpe diem.
Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777] #698211
1st Jun 2012 6:41am
1st Jun 2012 6:41am
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 213
Cambridgeshire
billy_anorak59 Offline

Addict
billy_anorak59  Offline

Addict
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 213
Cambridgeshire
Quite right chriskay - according to Wikipedia (so it must be right) it was actually "the first underground railway in the world to change over completely from steam to electric power".


Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.
Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: DonJ43] #698318
1st Jun 2012 6:23pm
1st Jun 2012 6:23pm
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 209
Pensby
8
8HBob Offline
Addict
8HBob  Offline
Addict
8
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 209
Pensby
Originally Posted by DonJ43
Behind the loco you can see one of the electric cars that worked from Birkenhead Central and Birkenhead Park through to Liverpool James Street and later Liverpool Central while the trains from Birkenhead Central to Rock Ferry and Birkenhead Park to West Kirby; New Brighton and to Seacombe were operated using steam locomotives like the Fox.
Other electric cars can be seen to the right in picture 3.
The track under the Mersey was the first electrified track in Britain and was electrified by power produced at Hamilton Square from about the 1860's


The coach visible behind 'Fox' is a steam hauled coach , the end windows being part of the guard's compartment. all of the stock was 4-wheeled & if you look at the roof you can see the tops of the gas lights (not the street lamp !)
The Mersey Railway locos. worked between Rock Ferry, Birkenhead Park & Liverpool Central. Trains for West Kirby & New Brighton were worked by Wirral Railway locomotives from Birkenhead Park onwards.

Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: Manowar1952] #700236
9th Jun 2012 1:03pm
9th Jun 2012 1:03pm
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2
Tranmee
P
Paul05 Offline
Paul05  Offline
P
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2
Tranmee
Originally Posted by Manowar1952
No 3 is Birkenhead Park Station, I would say.
Thanks for posting the pictures.

NO its deffo Birkenhead central as electrified useing the four rail system originally
Birkenhead Park was never four rails as was electrified as recently as 1938 by the wirral railway later to become LMS

Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: Paul05] #700247
9th Jun 2012 2:08pm
9th Jun 2012 2:08pm

P
Pinzgauer
Unregistered
Pinzgauer
Unregistered
P


Originally Posted by Paul05
Originally Posted by Manowar1952
No 3 is Birkenhead Park Station, I would say.
Thanks for posting the pictures.

NO its deffo Birkenhead central as electrified useing the four rail system originally
Birkenhead Park was never four rails as was electrified as recently as 1938 by the wirral railway later to become LMS


The 4 rail system did extend as far as the platform ends at Park. It was then the 3 rail to NB & WK. From 1938 to the end of the original Mersey stock in 1956, the driver had to operate an earthing contactor before leaving Park outbound to earth the car, thus the negative current returned via the running rails and not the centre rail. There was an automatic changeover switch too, but the Motormen used the manual switch - from what I've gleaned from various tomes.

Back to topic - yes, the picture IS of B'head Central.

Last edited by Pinzgauer; 9th Jun 2012 2:11pm. Reason: Veering off-topic again!

Moderated by  Mark 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Labour Party Conference - Liverpool
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Sep 2018 4:16am
Salt and Blood Pressure
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 7:42pm
Ipad mini
by lincle. 22nd Sep 2018 7:29pm
Mersey Tunnel tolls, 1934
by yoller. 21st Sep 2018 9:32am
Cowards on scramber bike, Saturday 15th Sept
by keef666. 16th Sep 2018 4:24pm
For Sale & Free
Electric Bass Guitar / and amp
by gerrymoore. 22nd Sep 2018 8:54am
ps3 console
by tommybarry. 17th Sep 2018 4:55pm
50'' bush led
by Dilly. 14th Sep 2018 6:05pm
Belling Range Gas Cooker
by DJDuck. 30th Aug 2018 11:39am
Dining room table & chairs
by DJDuck. 30th Aug 2018 9:25am
Member Spotlight
Capt_America
Capt_America
Wallasey
Posts: 1,508
Joined: July 2008
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Aatami, rodofcv, Dave1960, WargamerNik, Busterthedog
12742 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Ipad mini
by lincle. 22nd Sep 2018 7:29pm
£795,000 for a football pitch ?
by granny. 15th Sep 2018 11:27pm
Black Pearl
by venice. 13th Sep 2018 6:40pm
Giant Puppets Wirral
by granny. 13th Sep 2018 10:23am
Part Time Maintenance Job
by Reno37. 12th Sep 2018 5:36pm
News : New Topics
Labour Party Conference - Liverpool
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Sep 2018 4:16am
Cowards on scramber bike, Saturday 15th Sept
by keef666. 16th Sep 2018 4:24pm
Mother Nature's fury
by cools. 14th Sep 2018 6:45pm
Willy Wonka Dead !
by fish5133. 10th Sep 2018 1:04am
The Daily Mail News today
by granny. 9th Sep 2018 10:55am
New Enthusiast Forums
Salt and Blood Pressure
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 7:42pm
John Lewis advert
by cools. 12th Sep 2018 5:51pm
Escaped Yorkie type dog
by venice. 2nd Sep 2018 8:18pm
Tunnel Tolls
by fish5133. 31st Aug 2018 12:30am
Help !!!
by Dilly. 28th Aug 2018 7:12pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Mon 7:02am
Sunset Mon 7:05pm
Local Time Mon 2:56am
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1