WikiWirral Wirral's Biggest Online Forum
Forum Stats
12328 Members
65 Forums
73257 Topics
989108 Posts
34 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
81 registered (alan128, 9 invisible), 1447 Guests and 293 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Finsbury Park mosque. 1020
Washing machine 210
Range Rover P38A Air Suspension Help Needed 153
Loving Home Wanted For 3 Cats. 125
Ant and Dec 98
Another Scam 80
Benefit Cap is Unlawful 74
Wanted roof box 71
Loving Home Wanted For 3 Cats. 64
VW t4 fixed side window replacement 52
New General Forums
Deja Vu, Lightning Strikes Thrice, Groundhog Day
by fish5133
Yesterday at 07:38 PM
Ant and Dec
by cools
18th Jun 2017 2:11pm
Another Scam
by Excoriator
18th Jun 2017 10:00am
Happy birthday Ste
by Dilly
12th Jun 2017 7:54am
New Wirral History
Round the Wirral with a movie camera[1934]
by snowhite
16th Jun 2017 2:03pm
Bascule Bridge
by Sufee
6th Jun 2017 9:09pm
Pathe news short - merseytunnel 1934
by oldpm01
5th Jun 2017 1:57pm
1878 Post Office Directory of Cheshire query
by derekdwc
1st Jun 2017 10:41pm
Bakery at 275 Poulton Road 1925 onwards
by JAFitz
30th May 2017 8:59pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
wirral from Liverpool big wheel
New Brighton Big Wheel
Topic Replies
Where In The Wirral Is It??
by Mark
Today at 01:25 PM
Bexit Offer for EU Citizens
by diggingdeeper
Today at 12:03 PM
VW t4 fixed side window replacement
by lansyp
Today at 10:22 AM
Unilever's Power Stations
by Jimbo620
Today at 08:18 AM
Benefit Cap is Unlawful
by RUDEBOX
Yesterday at 07:37 PM
Suspended sentence for 37,000 benefit fraud mum
by Mark
Yesterday at 06:45 PM
What song are you listening to?
by granny
Yesterday at 10:18 AM
live webcam from africa, a must see
by granny
Yesterday at 09:49 AM
Sailing volunteers
by diggingdeeper
Yesterday at 12:34 AM
June
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Shotwick - Old And New (Hall and Solar Farm)
by diggingdeeper
18th Jun 2017 11:41am
Sefton Park
by diggingdeeper
17th Jun 2017 7:28pm
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#696743 - 26th May 2012 3:35pm Date these pictures of Birkenhead
chris7777 Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 26th May 2009
Posts: 482
Loc: New Ferry
Found these in a book at the librarie the other day, can anyone date them,i know there early 1900s, i took the pics with my mobile but never took note of the dates.


Attachments: Viewing Permissions May Apply. Click Me
2012-05-24 11.57.26 modified.jpg

2012-05-24 11.58.05 modified.jpg

2012-05-24 11.58.35 modified.jpg

2012-05-24 11.58.56 modified.jpg

2012-05-24 11.59.12 modified.jpg




Edited by Mark (27th May 2012 9:30am)
Edit Reason: renamed

Top
Google Ads
#696744 - 26th May 2012 3:40pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777]
chris7777 Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 26th May 2009
Posts: 482
Loc: New Ferry
1st one is heading towards hamilton square station,
2nd is tha booking hall hamilton square,
3rd is B,head central,
4th outside B,head central
and the 5th is B,head central, maybe someone recognises the man??

Top
#696758 - 26th May 2012 5:51pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777]
Manowar1952 Offline
Newbeee

Registered: 30th Sep 2011
Posts: 23
Loc: Wirral
No 3 is Birkenhead Park Station, I would say.
Thanks for posting the pictures.


Edited by Manowar1952 (26th May 2012 5:53pm)

Top
#696761 - 26th May 2012 6:05pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: Manowar1952]
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 25th Oct 2007
Posts: 4868
Loc: shropshire
No.3 is definitely Birkenhead Central; apart from anything else, the platforms at Park have no curve and you can see the workshops on the right. As far as date goes, the last pic. is pre electrification in 1903, (assuming the loco is still in service).
No.4 is between the date of the erection of the memorial clock in 1910 and its moving in 1929.
_________________________
Carpe diem.

Top
#696763 - 26th May 2012 6:14pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777]
Pinzgauer
Unregistered


No.3 is B'head Central. No bout adoubt it. Park has straight track through, not on a curve. BC car stabling sheds on right of pic. Argyle Street baths chimney just visible on top left of picture. The unequal length of the platform canopies are another giveaway.

Sorry. Post overlap with Chris's. My slow typing !!!




Edited by Pinzgauer (26th May 2012 6:18pm)

Top
#696765 - 26th May 2012 6:22pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777]
8HBob Offline
Addict

Registered: 23rd Mar 2009
Posts: 205
Loc: Pensby
The loco pictured at Birkenhead Central, no. 6 'Fox' was named after Charles Douglas Fox, the engineer for the railway.
The loco was sold in January 1905 to Alexandra Docks & Railway Co. at Newport , South Wales & ran until January 1923. Prior to withdrawal the company had been absorbed into the Great Western Railway, the loco being allocated no.1344 but never actually carrying the plates.
The locos. bought by the company had their condensing gear removed & proper cabs fitted. They were used for bringing heavy coal trains from the valleys to Newport docks.

Bob.

Top
#696778 - 26th May 2012 7:27pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777]
Paintboffin Offline
Addict

Registered: 1st Aug 2011
Posts: 242
Loc: Pensby
The train driver used to wear a bowler hat and were quite well respected in their day, a bit like an airline pilot of today, according to my Dad they they also used to carry a little box as shown in this photo, I think it was the drivers butty box.

PB

Top
#696790 - 26th May 2012 8:15pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777]
chris7777 Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 26th May 2009
Posts: 482
Loc: New Ferry
thanks for all your replys, all very interesting.

Top
#698045 - 31st May 2012 1:51pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chriskay]
DonJ43 Offline
Beginner

Registered: 16th Dec 2011
Posts: 4
Loc: Leasowe
Behind the loco you can see one of the electric cars that worked from Birkenhead Central and Birkenhead Park through to Liverpool James Street and later Liverpool Central while the trains from Birkenhead Central to Rock Ferry and Birkenhead Park to West Kirby; New Brighton and to Seacombe were operated using steam locomotives like the Fox.
Other electric cars can be seen to the right in picture 3.
The track under the Mersey was the first electrified track in Britain and was electrified by power produced at Hamilton Square from about the 1860's

Top
#698052 - 31st May 2012 2:15pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: DonJ43]
Norton Online   Reading

Smartchild

Registered: 29th Sep 2011
Posts: 614
Loc: Wallasey
The rail tunnel from Green Lane to James St openned in 1886.
The Company electrified its system, now extending from Liverpool Central to Birkenhead Park and also to Rock Ferry stations, in 1903.

Top
#698078 - 31st May 2012 3:22pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: DonJ43]
chriskay Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 25th Oct 2007
Posts: 4868
Loc: shropshire
Originally Posted By: DonJ43

The track under the Mersey was the first electrified track in Britain and was electrified by power produced at Hamilton Square from about the 1860's


Actually, the City and South London Railway, 1890, and the Liverpool Overhead, 1893, preceded the Mersey Railway with electric traction.
The chimney of the Shore Road generating station can be seen in the first picture of this thread.
_________________________
Carpe diem.

Top
#698211 - 1st Jun 2012 7:41am Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: chris7777]
billy_anorak59 Offline

Addict

Registered: 4th Feb 2009
Posts: 199
Loc: Cambridgeshire
Quite right chriskay - according to Wikipedia (so it must be right) it was actually "the first underground railway in the world to change over completely from steam to electric power".
_________________________
Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.

Top
#698318 - 1st Jun 2012 7:23pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: DonJ43]
8HBob Offline
Addict

Registered: 23rd Mar 2009
Posts: 205
Loc: Pensby
Originally Posted By: DonJ43
Behind the loco you can see one of the electric cars that worked from Birkenhead Central and Birkenhead Park through to Liverpool James Street and later Liverpool Central while the trains from Birkenhead Central to Rock Ferry and Birkenhead Park to West Kirby; New Brighton and to Seacombe were operated using steam locomotives like the Fox.
Other electric cars can be seen to the right in picture 3.
The track under the Mersey was the first electrified track in Britain and was electrified by power produced at Hamilton Square from about the 1860's


The coach visible behind 'Fox' is a steam hauled coach , the end windows being part of the guard's compartment. all of the stock was 4-wheeled & if you look at the roof you can see the tops of the gas lights (not the street lamp !)
The Mersey Railway locos. worked between Rock Ferry, Birkenhead Park & Liverpool Central. Trains for West Kirby & New Brighton were worked by Wirral Railway locomotives from Birkenhead Park onwards.

Top
#700236 - 9th Jun 2012 2:03pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: Manowar1952]
Paul05 Offline


Registered: 9th Jun 2012
Posts: 2
Loc: Tranmee
Originally Posted By: Manowar1952
No 3 is Birkenhead Park Station, I would say.
Thanks for posting the pictures.

NO its deffo Birkenhead central as electrified useing the four rail system originally
Birkenhead Park was never four rails as was electrified as recently as 1938 by the wirral railway later to become LMS

Top
#700247 - 9th Jun 2012 3:08pm Re: Date these pictures of Birkenhead [Re: Paul05]
Pinzgauer
Unregistered


Originally Posted By: Paul05
Originally Posted By: Manowar1952
No 3 is Birkenhead Park Station, I would say.
Thanks for posting the pictures.

NO its deffo Birkenhead central as electrified useing the four rail system originally
Birkenhead Park was never four rails as was electrified as recently as 1938 by the wirral railway later to become LMS


The 4 rail system did extend as far as the platform ends at Park. It was then the 3 rail to NB & WK. From 1938 to the end of the original Mersey stock in 1956, the driver had to operate an earthing contactor before leaving Park outbound to earth the car, thus the negative current returned via the running rails and not the centre rail. There was an automatic changeover switch too, but the Motormen used the manual switch - from what I've gleaned from various tomes.

Back to topic - yes, the picture IS of B'head Central.


Edited by Pinzgauer (9th Jun 2012 3:11pm)
Edit Reason: Veering off-topic again!

Top

Moderator:  Mark 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Bexit Offer for EU Citizens
by granny
Today at 09:38 AM
Benefit Cap is Unlawful
by RUDEBOX
Yesterday at 07:37 PM
VW t4 fixed side window replacement
by Mike72
Yesterday at 08:00 AM
Range Rover P38A Air Suspension Help Needed
by Martin1943
20th Jun 2017 8:06pm
Loving Home Wanted For 3 Cats.
by DavidC
20th Jun 2017 8:32am
For Sale & Free
Washing machine
by GingerTom
20th Jun 2017 9:05pm
22" full 1080p hd and freeview tv
by monsterz4
20th Jun 2017 8:50pm
Apple TV box the 1gen
by monsterz4
20th Jun 2017 8:48pm
42 lf smart tv
by stumpyduck
20th Jun 2017 8:15pm
Wanted roof box
by monsterz4
19th Jun 2017 10:32am
Featured Member
Registered: 30th May 2017
Posts: 3
Newest Members
Fairz87, mikerobbo84, Robbo1960, Gwhiz03, SamphireGreen
12328 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Shotwick - Old And New (Hall and Solar Farm)
by diggingdeeper
15th Jun 2017 10:19pm
Sefton Park
by diggingdeeper
15th Jun 2017 10:02pm
Property Law
by lau2908
14th Jun 2017 8:04pm
van driver needed
by futurepast
14th Jun 2017 7:34pm
Sailing volunteers
by dogsbrain
14th Jun 2017 4:31pm
News : New Topics
Bexit Offer for EU Citizens
by granny
Today at 09:38 AM
Benefit Cap is Unlawful
by RUDEBOX
Yesterday at 07:37 PM
Finsbury Park mosque.
by Beethoven
19th Jun 2017 11:42am
Grenfell Tower - Notting Hill
by diggingdeeper
14th Jun 2017 5:13am
Manchester airport
by Dilly
9th Jun 2017 6:01pm
New Enthusiast Forums
VW t4 fixed side window replacement
by Mike72
Yesterday at 08:00 AM
Range Rover P38A Air Suspension Help Needed
by Martin1943
20th Jun 2017 8:06pm
Loving Home Wanted For 3 Cats.
by DavidC
20th Jun 2017 8:32am
Loving Home Wanted For 3 Cats.
by DavidC
18th Jun 2017 6:02pm
Code reader
by madrob
16th Jun 2017 9:09am
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
Benefit Cap is Unlawful 74
Bexit Offer for EU Citizens 46
Deja Vu, Lightning Strikes Thrice, Groundhog Day 45
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Fri 4:43am
Sunset Fri 9:45pm
Local Time Fri 3:01pm
WikiWirral Can . . . .