WikiWirral values you and your opinion.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,028,156
Topics75,599
Members13,519
Forums65
Posts in last 24hrs10
Most Online14,906
Nov 23rd, 2019
Who's Online Now
36 registered members (9 invisible), 1,419 guests, and195 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
203 Woody
99 toy
New General Forums
George Carlin
by BultacoAstro. 10th Sep 2020 9:00am
Our Earth
by granny. 8th Sep 2020 10:02am
The Moon Landing ?
by BultacoAstro. 29th Aug 2020 4:58pm
White House UK
by casper. 3rd Jul 2020 9:37am
New Wirral History
Argyle Theatre
by mikeeb. 25th Sep 2020 1:23pm
St Andrews Square
by MIKE6570. 22nd Sep 2020 5:22pm
Stage-Coach Timetables in 1830's
by mikeeb. 19th Sep 2020 4:05pm
Birkenhead Trams 1876
by mikeeb. 17th Sep 2020 3:38pm
WHAT PUB
by derekdwc. 12th Sep 2020 12:51pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Boaty McBoatface takes shape
The gathering storm: Mersey waterfront today
Topic Replies
Coping Stones
by zigzagwanderer. 28th Sep 2020 1:08am
Classic Rock The Bands Are Awakening
by BultacoAstro. 27th Sep 2020 8:55pm
Old Car Photo
by diggingdeeper. 27th Sep 2020 7:52pm
LCT 7074
by cools. 26th Sep 2020 10:36pm
Argyle Theatre
by joney. 26th Sep 2020 10:56am
SEISS 3rd Grant
by diggingdeeper. 25th Sep 2020 10:06pm
Birkenhead Trams 1876
by yoller. 25th Sep 2020 9:59pm
Coronavirus
by casper. 25th Sep 2020 7:39pm
peugeot
by lincle. 25th Sep 2020 5:17pm
September
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported #653664
17th Jan 2012 10:22am
17th Jan 2012 10:22am
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 614
Wallasey
ResearcherTony Offline OP
Smartchild
ResearcherTony  Offline OP
Smartchild
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 614
Wallasey
to me this is another reason why human rights needsto be seriously changed when dealing with individuals like this!


Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported to Jordan because he could be tortured, European human rights judges rule

A hate cleric has been told he can stay in the UK because of his human rights, despite being described as Osama bin Laden's right hand man in Europe.

In a blow to the British government, radical Muslim Abu Qatada was told that he would not be deported back to Jordan even though he has been convicted on terror charges.
Described by one judge as 'a truly dangerous individual', he remains an iconic figure for many supporters of Jihad.
The European Court of Human Rights said that he could not be sent back because 'there remains a real risk that evidence obtained by torture will be used against him'.
He has been described by another judge as 'a truly dangerous individual', he remains an iconic figure for many supporters of jihad.
The decision flies in the face of UK law Lords who ruled almost three years ago that he could be sent back to Jordan and is the first time the Strasbourg-based court has found that and expulsion would be in violation of the right to a fair trial.
But in a landmark judgment in February 2009, five Law Lords unanimously backed the Government’s policy of removing terror suspects from Britain on the basis of assurances from foreign governments.
Jacqui Smith, the then-home secretary, said the ruling vindicated the Government’s efforts to remove dangerous individuals.
But Qatada’s lawyers appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, where the latest ruling was made.
Today's court ruling - which went against the UK Law Lords' judgment and agreed with the earlier decision of the Court of Appeal - means the 51-year-old cleric must stay in Britain, where he is currently held at Belmarsh high-security prison, for now at least.

The Law Lords' judgment had been a boost for the Government's use of written guarantees from other countries that they will not torture deportees returned home

Source

Last edited by _Jase_; 17th Jan 2012 12:22pm. Reason: FIXED LINK

the truth is out there
Google Ads
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654356
18th Jan 2012 12:19am
18th Jan 2012 12:19am
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
dizdazdoz Offline

Wise One
dizdazdoz  Offline

Wise One
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
I am not even surprised when I hear these stories anymore.

Why dont we just say that the lions in London zoo are hungry, as that would be inhumane we are letting him leave the country of his own free will.

Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654361
18th Jan 2012 12:29am
18th Jan 2012 12:29am
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 7,600
Peace
Tombraider Offline
Wiki Addict
Tombraider  Offline
Wiki Addict
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 7,600
Peace
I would love Willian Hague to rule he would be all for capitail punnishment and deport all thease immagrants.
more jobs and less tax comming out our wages.
and he is fair as well. am not racist or against any ethnic backgrounds. but i think the law on everything needs to get tough.


A handful of patience is worth more than a bushel of brains. Dutch Proverb







Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654379
18th Jan 2012 1:18am
18th Jan 2012 1:18am
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,337
1337
ex0__ Offline
Forum Addict
ex0__  Offline
Forum Addict
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,337
1337
Another Daily Fail story from Tony! Thx dude!

/nonstory.


-----
1337
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654441
18th Jan 2012 9:19am
18th Jan 2012 9:19am
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,447
New Brighton
Tatey Offline
Forum Addict
Tatey  Offline
Forum Addict
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,447
New Brighton
To save the air fare deporting him, let's torture him here.

Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654451
18th Jan 2012 10:29am
18th Jan 2012 10:29am
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,683
Bebington, Wirral
D
DavidB Offline
Wiki Guide
DavidB  Offline
Wiki Guide
D
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,683
Bebington, Wirral
He goes but Nick Griffin stays?


"C20 LET bang"
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654788
18th Jan 2012 6:04pm
18th Jan 2012 6:04pm
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,438
Birkenhead
BandyCoot Offline

Forum Veteran
BandyCoot  Offline

Forum Veteran
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,438
Birkenhead
Nick Griffin stays because he is British, like it or not. He also is not fomenting unrest abroad. I don't support him at all but just answering the question.


Birkenhead........ God's own Room 101.
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: BandyCoot] #654794
18th Jan 2012 6:11pm
18th Jan 2012 6:11pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
dizdazdoz Offline

Wise One
dizdazdoz  Offline

Wise One
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
Originally Posted by BandyCoot
Nick Griffin stays because he is British, like it or not. He also is not fomenting unrest abroad. I don't support him at all but just answering the question.

withthat

Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: BandyCoot] #654798
18th Jan 2012 6:13pm
18th Jan 2012 6:13pm
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 614
Wallasey
ResearcherTony Offline OP
Smartchild
ResearcherTony  Offline OP
Smartchild
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 614
Wallasey
Originally Posted by BandyCoot
Nick Griffin stays because he is British, like it or not. He also is not fomenting unrest abroad. I don't support him at all but just answering the question.


wellsaidbandy, have you ever heard of modern day englishmen trying to force rule in the middle eastern muslim states?


the truth is out there
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654824
18th Jan 2012 6:42pm
18th Jan 2012 6:42pm
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,193
tranmere
B
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran
bert1  Offline

Wiki Veteran
B
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,193
tranmere
We had thousands of British troops in Iraq recently, does that count.


God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654845
18th Jan 2012 6:55pm
18th Jan 2012 6:55pm
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,438
Birkenhead
BandyCoot Offline

Forum Veteran
BandyCoot  Offline

Forum Veteran
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,438
Birkenhead
To be honest I've been in loads of places where sections of the local community didn't want us to be there but while I was there I still obeyed their laws and rules, well mostly. I certainly didn't monk about what they did or try to overturn their local governement. We have to move on in a changing world but I don't necessarily believe that blowing up the host country is particularly helpful. The Afghan bit and the Iraq War are politician led things about which I have no control, the sameas everything else, but terrorist shouldn't be given a free hand, especiall Captain Hook.


Birkenhead........ God's own Room 101.
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: BandyCoot] #654869
18th Jan 2012 7:18pm
18th Jan 2012 7:18pm
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 614
Wallasey
ResearcherTony Offline OP
Smartchild
ResearcherTony  Offline OP
Smartchild
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 614
Wallasey
Originally Posted by BandyCoot
To be honest I've been in loads of places where sections of the local community didn't want us to be there but while I was there I still obeyed their laws and rules, well mostly. I certainly didn't monk about what they did or try to overturn their local governement. We have to move on in a changing world but I don't necessarily believe that blowing up the host country is particularly helpful. The Afghan bit and the Iraq War are politician led things about which I have no control, the sameas everything else, but terrorist shouldn't be given a free hand, especiall Captain Hook.


nicely sid bandy, these left wingidiots havegonesofarleft they haveleft reality, when one isaway u must obey, countries are different for a reason.


the truth is out there
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654891
18th Jan 2012 7:59pm
18th Jan 2012 7:59pm
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,193
tranmere
B
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran
bert1  Offline

Wiki Veteran
B
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,193
tranmere
I thought this thread was about deporting someone to a country where he may get tortured, So Tony while your peddling your right wing vomit and giving the impression you have no problem with torture, remember the European court has stopped his deportation for that reason, while we are in Europe we have to abide by it, also remember this, there are two sides to every coin, the flip side to this one is how can we protest against British citizens and British service men and women being tortured if we knowingly let anyone we deport face the same.
I'm quite happy to see him in our prisons, who knows, the Jordanians might let him go.


God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: bert1] #654898
18th Jan 2012 8:10pm
18th Jan 2012 8:10pm
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,452
ex Wallasey now Atlanta GA USA
C
CVCVCV Offline
Forum Addict
CVCVCV  Offline
Forum Addict
C
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,452
ex Wallasey now Atlanta GA USA
Originally Posted by bert1
I thought this thread was about deporting someone to a country where he may get tortured....
er, no, no-one said he may get tortured himself, what was actually said was:
The European Court of Human Rights said that he could not be sent back because 'there remains a real risk that evidence obtained by torture will be used against him'.
Not quite the same thing.
Personally I think he's lucky to be kept alive by the UK that he despises so much - he could easily have ended up with the fishes, like his buddy Osama..!

Last edited by CVCVCV; 18th Jan 2012 8:11pm. Reason: typos
Re: Hate cleric Abu Qatada cannot be deported [Re: ResearcherTony] #654902
18th Jan 2012 8:18pm
18th Jan 2012 8:18pm
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,683
Bebington, Wirral
D
DavidB Offline
Wiki Guide
DavidB  Offline
Wiki Guide
D
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,683
Bebington, Wirral
Heeeeeerrreee we go agaaaaainnnn.


"C20 LET bang"
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
SEISS 3rd Grant
by diggingdeeper. 25th Sep 2020 10:06pm
Argyle Theatre
by mikeeb. 25th Sep 2020 1:23pm
Woody
by lincle. 23rd Sep 2020 1:57pm
St Andrews Square
by MIKE6570. 22nd Sep 2020 5:22pm
Stage-Coach Timetables in 1830's
by mikeeb. 19th Sep 2020 4:05pm
For Sale & Free
Coping Stones
by zigzagwanderer. 28th Sep 2020 1:08am
peugeot
by lincle. 25th Sep 2020 5:17pm
toy
by sunnyside. 22nd Sep 2020 12:55pm
Wanted Bultaco Astro Or Pursang 360 Model 104
by BultacoAstro. 13th Sep 2020 10:39pm
Wooden Single Bed, Headboard, Mattress and Drawer
by rhoobarb2002. 12th Sep 2020 5:07pm
Member Spotlight
_Ste_
_Ste_
New Brighton
Posts: 16,232
Joined: August 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Cavanagh_Shaw, NellyDee, Paul_Mason, Allotmentpete, Mike11
13519 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Van carpet fitter
by Gibbo. 17th Sep 2020 9:16am
Tower road. Birkenhead and now Dock road
by keef666. 6th Sep 2020 1:53pm
Enjoy the street theatre!
by Excoriator. 5th Sep 2020 3:50pm
Laminate flooring
by casper. 4th Sep 2020 6:33pm
Road resurfacing 2020
by keef666. 20th Aug 2020 8:30am
News : New Topics
SEISS 3rd Grant
by diggingdeeper. 25th Sep 2020 10:06pm
Award for Corbyn ???
by granny. 27th Aug 2020 10:41pm
Casper Specials
by granny. 23rd Aug 2020 5:39pm
When Damascus Falls !
by granny. 13th Feb 2020 11:12pm
Coronavirus
by cools. 30th Jan 2020 5:38pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Woody
by lincle. 23rd Sep 2020 1:57pm
Dorothea Quarry Aug 2020
by KevinFinity. 18th Sep 2020 9:45pm
cat found,Wallasey
by doggod. 17th Sep 2020 8:55pm
Spring fitting required
by gerrymoore. 17th Sep 2020 9:20am
Customer Is Always Right
by BultacoAstro. 3rd Sep 2020 12:19pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Mon 7:10am
Sunset Mon 6:54pm
Local Time Mon 3:35am
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1