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#652016 - 14th Jan 2012 11:55am Wirral and the "Titanic"
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With the centenary of the sinking of the “Titanic” approaching, it might be interesting to identify any connections that Wirral had with the disaster.

There’s the Ismay family’s connection with “Dawpool” at Thurstaston, though I’m not sure whether the infamous J. Bruce Ismay ever lived there. And, of course, the equally infamous Stanley Lord, Captain of the “Californian” who lived all his married life in Wallasey, from where he fought to clear his name, and is buried in Rake Lane cemetery.

But with Wirral’s seafaring past, surely some of the crew came from here. Perhaps even a passenger or two?

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#652022 - 14th Jan 2012 12:08pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: nightwalker]
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The main connection with the Wirral and the Titanic is that they are both disasters!! :-)
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#652023 - 14th Jan 2012 12:09pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: nightwalker]
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Don't know of any local people but I'm related to Harold Bride who was the second Radio Operator on the Titanic. He survived and as far as I know was picked up by the Carpathia, were he helped wire messages back about survivors.

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#652025 - 14th Jan 2012 12:21pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: nightwalker]
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From the Merseyside Maritime Museum website: 'At least ninety members of Titanic’s crew on that tragic voyage (about 1 in 10) were from Merseyside or had close links with the area. Most of her key officers and crew had originally sailed from Liverpool for White Star, and many still lived there in 1912.'

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#652060 - 14th Jan 2012 1:59pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: nightwalker]
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Contact the sunlight village museum, i believe a number of musicians came from the village and worked on the ship.

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#652064 - 14th Jan 2012 2:18pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: yoller]
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Originally Posted By: yoller
From the Merseyside Maritime Museum website: 'At least ninety members of Titanic’s crew on that tragic voyage (about 1 in 10) were from Merseyside or had close links with the area. Most of her key officers and crew had originally sailed from Liverpool for White Star, and many still lived there in 1912.'

Thanks, yoller - plenty to find out about then. Here's one I've discovered:

Charles John Joughin (3 August 1878 – 9 December 1956) was the chief baker on the RMS Titanic. Joughin was born in Birkenhead on 3 August 1878. He survived in the freezing water for an exceptionally long time. After up to three hours in the water (estimates vary), he was found by Collapsible B and pulled onto the overturned boat. Joughin died in Paterson, New Jersey on 9 December 1956 at the age of 78.

Apparently, Joughin became famous as the “Drunken Baker of the Titanic”, having consumed vast quantities of whisky while the ship was sinking (he put this down as the reason he survived for so long in the water). He still did his duty, however, loading fresh bread into the lifeboats and later helping women into the boats and throwing chairs for those in the water to hang on to.

He is recorded as being probably the last one to leave the ship alive. He climbed to the stern which stood nearly 150 feet above the water, tightened his life belt and waited for the ship to sink. As it slipped below the surface, he stepped off into the water without even wetting his hair. This episode featured in the film “A Night to Remember”


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#652069 - 14th Jan 2012 2:45pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: nightwalker]
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There is a brand new drama comming soon on tv, think its on around the anniversary.

The best film ever made about the titanic is the black and white one called "A night to remember" starring kenneth more.

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#652071 - 14th Jan 2012 2:54pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: SUExx]
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Port Cities Southampton lists the following crew members who either had a Wirral address or were born in wirral:


Ashcroft, Austin Aloysius
Clerk Lost
28, Canterbury Road, Seacombe, Cheshire
Age: 26 Place of Birth: Liverpool

Bird, Charles Frederick
Storekeeper Lost
46, Bessborough Road, Birkenhead
Age: 42 Place of Birth: Birkenhead
signed on as C F Morgan

Bowker, Ruth
First Cashier Saved
The Cottage, Little Sutton, Cheshire
and
2a, Hans Road, Brompton Road, London
Age: 27 Place of Birth: Ware, Somerset

Bunnell, Wilfred
Plate Steward Lost
47, Kingsfield Road, Southampton (signed on at this address)
and
212 Bedford Road, Liverpool
Age: 20 Place of Birth: Birkenhead

Faulkner, William Stephen
Bedroom Steward Saved
16, Romsey Road, Shirley, Southampton (signed on at this address)
Age: 37 Place of Birth: Birkenhead
Other sources have 16 Malmesbury Road

Joughin, Charles
Chief Baker Saved
Elmhurst, Leighton Road (now St Edmund's Road), Shirley, Southampton
Age: 30 Place of Birth: Cheshire

Leather, Elizabeth May
Stewardess Saved
38, Park Street, Port Sunlight
Age: 41 Place of Birth: Liverpool

McMurray, William Ernest
Bedroom Steward Lost
60, Empress Road, Kensington, Liverpool
Age: 43 Place of Birth: Birkenhead

Stap, Sarah Agnes
Stewardess Saved
41, Bidston Avenue, Birkenhead
Age: 31 Place of Birth: At Sea

Wheat, Joseph Thomas
Assistant Second Steward Saved
14, Cobden Gardens, Bitterne Park, Southampton
Age: 29 Place of Birth: Rock Ferry



Edited by uptoncx (14th Jan 2012 3:01pm)
Edit Reason: Name corrected

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#652073 - 14th Jan 2012 2:56pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: nightwalker]
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I have the book "A Night to Remember" by Walter Lord. Quite a screed on Charles Joughin. As you rightly say nightwalker, at 2-15am he put his watch in his pocket and stepped off the sinking stern. "It was like taking an elevator" he said afterwards. (Some elevator!)

I can't figure out how he didn't get dragged down. Even wearing a lifebelt, the suction of the stern section sinking would have pulled him under ?

Whisky or no whisky, he did his utmost to help others. What a guy!

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#652089 - 14th Jan 2012 3:45pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: ]
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I helped a guy from the states located his great grandparents grave at St Albans church. His great grandfather survived the Titanic. His name was Daly and was a first class passenger. The family lived for many years at Marymount in Mill lane Wallasey which later became Marymount convent.

I believe he further emigrated to South America and was very big in building railways. His grandson the man I helped lived in Argentina until Peron came to power and they lost all their money so moved to the states.

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#652091 - 14th Jan 2012 3:47pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: Helles]
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Registered: 28th May 2010
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Loc: Wirral

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#652114 - 14th Jan 2012 4:30pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: Helles]
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Great stuff, everyone - plenty of info to work on. It would be nice to find out more about the people on uptoncx's list.

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#652195 - 14th Jan 2012 7:38pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: nightwalker]
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Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
Re my reply, that should read that his Grandfather survived, not great grandfather.

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#652250 - 14th Jan 2012 10:45pm Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: nightwalker]
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Registered: 14th Mar 2009
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Loc: Merseyside
Originally Posted By: nightwalker
Originally Posted By: yoller
From the Merseyside Maritime Museum website: 'At least ninety members of Titanic’s crew on that tragic voyage (about 1 in 10) were from Merseyside or had close links with the area. Most of her key officers and crew had originally sailed from Liverpool for White Star, and many still lived there in 1912.'

Thanks, yoller - plenty to find out about then. Here's one I've discovered:

Charles John Joughin (3 August 1878 – 9 December 1956) was the chief baker on the RMS Titanic. Joughin was born in Birkenhead on 3 August 1878. He survived in the freezing water for an exceptionally long time. After up to three hours in the water (estimates vary), he was found by Collapsible B and pulled onto the overturned boat. Joughin died in Paterson, New Jersey on 9 December 1956 at the age of 78.

Apparently, Joughin became famous as the “Drunken Baker of the Titanic”, having consumed vast quantities of whisky while the ship was sinking (he put this down as the reason he survived for so long in the water). He still did his duty, however, loading fresh bread into the lifeboats and later helping women into the boats and throwing chairs for those in the water to hang on to.

He is recorded as being probably the last one to leave the ship alive. He climbed to the stern which stood nearly 150 feet above the water, tightened his life belt and waited for the ship to sink. As it slipped below the surface, he stepped off into the water without even wetting his hair. This episode featured in the film “A Night to Remember”


Wow. Do you have a book I could refer to for that info? Would love to get hold of it.

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#652431 - 15th Jan 2012 11:01am Re: Wirral and the "Titanic" [Re: nightwalker]
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According to Wikipedia in the entry for his father, Bruce Ismay did not live at Dawpool:In July 1882,the building of a private residence in Thurstaston on the Wirral Peninsula, designed by the renowned architect Richard Norman Shaw. Built of a local red sandstone, the property was completed in December 1884. It was named Dawpool and, when Ismay's widow died in 1907, both of his sons declined to take up residence. When the Ismay's tried selling the home, the agent said the land would be worth more if the home was blown up[citation needed] and it was eventually sold to a Mr Rutter who loaned to the government as a hospital during World War I. In 1926 it was sold to Sir Henry Roberts who had it demolished a year later.

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