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#628707 - 26th Nov 2011 10:26am Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For)
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As i paid for my collection of Now That's What I Call Music vol-1 to vol-80 and Clubland Vol-1 to Vol-20 in download format am I allowed to sell it either on discs or transfere it from my drive to some one elses, as long as I delete it from my drive when its sold.

Is this legal?


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#628713 - 26th Nov 2011 10:34am Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: Clive]
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You cant do it willo.

They encode them so that they only work on your computer.
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#628716 - 26th Nov 2011 10:38am Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: _Ste_]
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They dont encode them so they only work on your computer.

However you're still not allowed to do it.

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#628719 - 26th Nov 2011 10:40am Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: DJ_Karl_David]
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They are not encoded, I thought that as long as i have paid for them, i could sell them, as long as i dont keep copies
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#628736 - 26th Nov 2011 11:41am Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: Clive]
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I personally dont see a problem if it doesnt say anything about resale in the terms and conditions of the service you downloaded it from and you didnt change, re-encode or strip any DRM from the 'originals'. But record companies like to kick up a stink anytime they feel they arent getting anything (they did the same with 2nd hand cd stores). Technically I see it being the same as reselling cds just in a different media format. But I'm no lawyer.

Maybe if you supplied a copy of the original receipt as proof you paid for it to any potential buyers?

It would be interesting to know if there was a legal precedent for this.

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#628741 - 26th Nov 2011 11:58am Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: Clive]
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Your not supposed to do you it but physically you can do it , however I cant really see anyone buying them really, I havent paid for a online song in my whole 15 odd years online

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#628743 - 26th Nov 2011 11:58am Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: Clive]
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Ive been dealing with record companies for years both for my own music i make. And the music we sell in my shop so im pretty clued up on the legal side of it. And its illegal to resell Mp3s something to do with royalties and stuff.

This is the reason you should always buy hard copies.

However they would probably never find out and everyone would go about there day as normal ha!

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#628745 - 26th Nov 2011 12:00pm Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: lau2908]
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Originally Posted By: lau2908
Your not supposed to do you it but physically you can do it , however I cant really see anyone buying them really, I havent paid for a online song in my whole 15 odd years online


Why would you not pay for a song in mp3 format?

Would you also go into a shop and take a CD for free?

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#628772 - 26th Nov 2011 12:59pm Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: Clive]
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Originally Posted By: Willo
They are not encoded, I thought that as long as i have paid for them, i could sell them, as long as i dont keep copies


Where did you get them from? If you 'bought' them from iTunes you don't own them, you've leased them. It'll detail in the eula why you can't sell them.

It's when finding out stuff like this about the unfairness of the music system online that people simply turn to torrents smile
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#628793 - 26th Nov 2011 2:09pm Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: Clive]
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Is it actually a proper law though, or just terms and conditions?

In other words, would it hold up in court?


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#628796 - 26th Nov 2011 2:19pm Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: Clive]
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It's like renting a car and then trying to sell it. You can't sell something you don't own.
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#628801 - 26th Nov 2011 2:27pm Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: Clive]
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Not really, you dont pay weekly/monthly to have a cd in your posession and then give it back when you stop paying that fee.

Technically that also applies to software/games/cd's and other things, you pay for the right to use it, not actually own it or the rights to it. That is why media companies whine so much, that doesnt stop them from being sold in record shops/video game stores/etc. So my question still stands, is it a legally enforceable law, not just a companies T&C's?


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#628803 - 26th Nov 2011 2:30pm Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: rhoobarb2002]
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The law states if you own a hard copy then its ok to sell on.

But mp3s are not allowed to be sold on

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#628805 - 26th Nov 2011 2:36pm Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: rhoobarb2002]
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Originally Posted By: rhoobarb2002
Technically that also applies to software/games/cd's and other things, you pay for the right to use it, not actually own it or the rights to it. That is why media companies whine so much, that doesnt stop them from being sold in record shops/video game stores/etc. So my question still stands, is it a legally enforceable law, not just a companies T&C's?


No. You pay for a physical licence of the media you listed. Music bought from certain online stores is different, you lease the track. You have no rights to it. If you buy a game or a cd you own the copy you have bought, but are restricted as to what you can do with that copy due to copywrite laws etc.
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#628822 - 26th Nov 2011 3:58pm Re: Selling Downloaded Music (Paid For) [Re: Clive]
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Willo you could try looking at https://www.redigi.com/home.html

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