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This has come off the back of a previous thread that got locked as it went off topic.

How religiously do you stick to speed limits?

What annoys you most on the road?

I've just been caught speeding, 47 in a 40 in Eastham. It was the middle of the night, it was dry etc etc and in my eyes this was no less safe than 40 and a hell of a lot safer than the example I quite often use... 30, legally, past a school during the day.

I drive within the limits of my car, my skill and visibility/conditions which at times can see me doing 100 on the motorway but at the same time see me doing the above 20 past a school.

One is legal, one is not.

I'm fully aware of the repercussions of being caught above the speed limit and accept the consequences.

It's £79 for a speed awareness course on this occasion by the way.

What annoys me most on the road?

People who do 40 in NSL areas and then continue to do 40 through the next 30mph village.

These are the people I'll catch up and overtake when making progress but then get annoyed if they end up behind me through the next village.

Had one not too long ago who I overtook in the NSL who then overtook me back in the 30mph zone.

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People who do 40 in NSL areas and then continue to do 40 through the next 30mph village.

Agreed... very annoying...

People who overtake on the most innapproriate roads...
Some pillock pulled alongside me at the lights by the new asda (heading towards the park). I have no problem with him whizzing off and getting in front... I'm rarely in a hurry in the truck! Anyway he didn't... instead he sat right on my rear os wheel then tucked in behind me only to fly past on the road at the back of the park... on Sunday morning when there was loads of traffic and Marathonists... wtf?...

Some roads in my opinion should be higher speed limits and some should be lower... at the end of the day a driver should be responsible and... as you said, drive in a suitable way for the conditions... sadly some people will drive fast regardless...

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I can't find any fault in doing 47 in a 40mph zone Alex. I do it so often without even realising - I have no intention of speeding at all, it just happens, and got clocked 37 on Old Chester Road. Oops.
I used to live on a main road and always had 'speeders' on that. 50mph on a 30 road, I think that is genuinely intentional speeding, I think it's unfair to punish people so harshly for drifting above the speed limit, the figures may not be coming down because people do actually drift over the speed limit, that will never stop.


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Originally Posted by DavidB
the figures may not be coming down because people do actually drift over the speed limit

Doing over the speed limit and drifting sounds a bit dangerous...
but again it all depends on the conditions...

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Ha, drifting as in gradually increasing speed. smile


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Originally Posted by DavidB
I can't find any fault in doing 47 in a 40mph zone Alex.


In my eyes the only fault is being caught over an arbitrary number on a signpost.

I know when I'm speeding and in most cases I choose to do so, I don't think I tend to drift over the limit, I am doing it consciously.

Does this make me a bad person?

So I did 47 in a 40 at 2am. I now have to give up a few hours of my life and £80 of my own money to sit in a room and be 'spoken at' about just dangerous I am and what a liability I am on the road.

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If you get clocked breaking the speed limit, this could be a reminder as to how little you are paying attention, speed traps (of any type) are one of the many hazards you should be aware of.

I've met a few badgers and rabbits/hares when travelling up to 70mph without hitting them. I wouldn't like to attempt the same manoeuvres above 100mph.

Mistakes cause accidents.
Speed governs the amount of injury.


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I've driven above the speed limit for many miles over the last few years with no points whatsoever (I still don't - I just 30 seconds ago booked myself on the speed awareness course).

All points taken on board but your encounters with animals at 70mph would have been safer at 50mph and so on.

I'd also reckon on my car braking from 100mph much quicker than some of the sheds on the roads these days could break from much lower speeds. I'd also reckon on my car being more stable at these speeds than many at lower speeds.

It's all relative and that's why although I understand why we have speed limits, and that they need to be set to blanket cover everyone and every car on the roads, they're a bit out of date and cars have come on an awful lot since they were set.

30mph residential limits, I'll stick to them and lower, for obvious reasons.

But I agree that mistakes are what cause the accidents, and that inappropriate speed may make them worse.

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Well its very much looking like the future is 80mph motorways and 20mph residential. Presumably residential trunk roads will remain 30/40mph.


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I'm not a great believer in numbers on sticks. Like Alex, I frequently drive slower than the posted limit and at other times I exceed the limit if I think it's safe and I feel like doing it. I rely on observation not to get caught. Over the years I've been trained to a high level of competence, including membership of the High Performance Club. As a member, I've had the privilege of driving some exotic cars at some quite extreme speeds, but mostly on tracks, including the Nürburgring, and one one memorable occasion, a Porsche 911 Turbo at 190mph+ on an autobahn. I now manage happily with a Nissan Micra!


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Well its very much looking like the future is 80mph motorways and 20mph residential. Presumably residential trunk roads will remain 30/40mph.


Sounds sensible to me!

Example is that new stretch of road leading to the lanes from Saughall Massie. That was 30 originally!? Been changed to 50, which is probably nearer the speed I would suggest is sensible.


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Originally Posted by AlexB
Example is that new stretch of road leading to the lanes from Saughall Massie. That was 30 originally!? Been changed to 50, which is probably nearer the speed I would suggest is sensible.


Really? About time... as it was 60 when it was a narrow and windy road

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Yeah, but the bits that were 60 further up are now a combination of 30/40/50.

Bypass from Bidston Moss to Moreton is now a 40 instead of NSL (I think it was NSL?) but I understand that is more to do with the shortcomings of the barrier in place and the train line etc.

I was told by a driving instructor that people doing their tests out of Wallasey now can no longer go any faster than 50mph up until they actually pass their tests, which is when they're allowed on the motorway!

Is it any wonder we have 17 year olds crashing like they have recently? They've never been faster than 50mph with more than 2 people in the car up until they're let loose on the world and have mates to impress.

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Yeah the Bidston to Moreton road was NSL... 40 is very slow...

I remember when I was learning (when I wasn't doing three point turns outside your house) going along the dual carrigeway from Bayswater Road to the B&Q roundabout and my Instructor saying if you don't do at least 60mph (it was NSL at the time) you could fail your test... and now it's a 40mph limit... ker-razy.

I don't understand why learners can't go on a motorway... even if it was you can only go on with a proper Instructor and their car and not in uncle Bob's mk3 Escort with your mate Dave...

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I tend to drive to the conditions the road allows.

I also like to try and plan my journeys so there is no need to travel in excess of the posted limits.

Its now very rare that I exceed the speed limits, there may be the odd occasion which warrents it - ie a safe overtake to minimise time exposed on the other side of the carrageway, or just the odd blat, but only at an appropriate time and place where the road ahead can be assessed.

Driving is a privilage, not a right, and there are reasons behind most of the limits in place. Wether the limit in force is valid or not? ....well, try arguing their validity in a court and see how far it gets you.....

Im not saying anyone elses views are wrong or right, thats just my opinion - id rather be driving at the posted limit, than not at all.....


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