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#583716 - 16th Sep 2011 8:34pm Death Penalty
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The time has come my friends to turn the clock back and re-introduce the death penalty. We seem to be restricted by do gooders and European hypocrisy. Our sentences for Murder are the laughing stock of the world. These mindless morons who have put fear into our societies need stopping. The feral gangs that roam around need breaking up. Impose curfews for under 16's. Make car insurance so high that young kids need a proper job to pay for it. Make sentences for drink and dangerous driving so severe that you would be scared to move the needle on your car. Don't be afraid to have your say. Two horrific crimes in 48 hours (RIP kid). Worsening crime and cuts to the Police can only lead to a slippery slope. Trust Politicians at your peril.

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#583732 - 16th Sep 2011 8:44pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: Guevara66]
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Originally Posted By: Guevara66
The time has come my friends to turn the clock back and re-introduce the death penalty. We seem to be restricted by do gooders and European hypocrisy. Our sentences for Murder are the laughing stock of the world. These mindless morons who have put fear into our societies need stopping. The feral gangs that roam around need breaking up. Impose curfews for under 16's. Make car insurance so high that young kids need a proper job to pay for it. Make sentences for drink and dangerous driving so severe that you would be scared to move the needle on your car. Don't be afraid to have your say. Two horrific crimes in 48 hours (RIP kid). Worsening crime and cuts to the Police can only lead to a slippery slope. Trust Politicians at your peril.


I don't really think the death penalty would be a deterrant to most of these people, well in my opinion i'd probaly rather be dead than spend the rest of my life in a jail. And I think car insurance is way too high for young people, my younger brother is 19 just passed his test and his insurance on a 1.2 Vauxhall Corsa is 3,100 annum

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#583749 - 16th Sep 2011 9:15pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: davaw1]
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Child killers + death penalty OR do what the Yanks do, 100 years in jail, no parole. I was in Scotland a few times over the last few years and you would be amazed how lenient some of the sentances were for murder. One really horrific murder = 12 years!! No sense and not justice.
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#583750 - 16th Sep 2011 9:15pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: Guevara66]
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Im 26 and have been driving for 7 years and I still pay 1100 per year which is far too high.

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#583751 - 16th Sep 2011 9:22pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: Chorizo]
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Originally Posted By: Chorizo
Im 26 and have been driving for 7 years and I still pay 1100 per year which is far too high.


Well off subject, but just wanted to say have you got 7 years no claims? are you male or female? & do you shop around? Think thats ridiculous, 1100 per year with 7 yrs no claims?
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#583769 - 16th Sep 2011 9:49pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: Guevara66]
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Death because of high car insurance? Seriously...it's not THAT bad

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#583771 - 16th Sep 2011 9:50pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: Guevara66]
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Capital punishment for the most serious crimes, maybe. But I think a major key is turning our prisons into prisons, not holiday homes. Prison is no deterrent. Take away the home comforts, no cable TV, no fully equipped gyms, playstations, mobile phones, pool tables, etc.

Bed, Toilet, maybe some books. Yard for exercise. Limited social interaction.

They are prisoners, there for a reason.

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#583776 - 16th Sep 2011 9:52pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: Guevara66]
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In what way would the death penalty stop murder? The whole point of a punishment is to act as a deterrent but seems as most murders are committed in the heat of the moment it seems little difference will be made. America has capital punishment and from what I can tell crime is still committed over there.

Other than that there is also the obvious point of what happens when somebody is executed and then found to be innocent? And do we not lose our moral high ground when we start to determine whether somebody should live or die. Is the death penalty really about justice as it should be or revenge?

The way the initial poster describes the world you'd think we were living in some sort of post apocalyptic Mad Max type war zone. Sure there are people out there who commit crime but that's nothing new. There has always been crime and there always will be. I'm 22 and I'm more than happy to walk the streets at night without being worried that I'm going to get mugged or killed or whatever.

There have been a few incidents that have been reported in the paper but they are isolated. So two crimes have been committed? That's two in a much larger population where the mass majority have broken no law.

Regarding car insurance needing to go up, that's literally mental. I'm 22 and trying to manage a full time business and my insurance is stupidly high as it is. If it went any higher I'd have to give up being self employed and try and get a more reliable job. But as we know there aren't too many of those about at the moment and so I guess I'd end up on the dole.

A curfew for 16 year olds also seems illogical. What if an 18 year old breaks the law? Or 21? Or even 40? Do we simply set a curfew for everybody?

With all due respect some people just believe everything that they read or hear. Unfortunately the majority of what is reported isn't exactly the best of News it's simply the most interesting. Calls for things like the death penalty to me simply seem like an over reaction to that. For a better argument than I can come up with regarding this please check out this article by Charlie Brooker http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/07/bring-back-the-saw-instead

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#583786 - 16th Sep 2011 10:06pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: Guevara66]
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Many of you will be aware of the Govt website on which you can VOTE for certain e-petitions. If 100,000 signatures are received then the Speaker of Parliament is REQUIRED to bring the issue to the attention of Parliament with a view to either a vote in the House or attention by the Govt.

The recent example was the 150,000 or so signatures received for release of all the papers relating to Hillsborough.

SO - there are several petitions directed at stiffer sentences for certain crimes/ life meaning life/ hard labour for prisoners etc

This link should take you there
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/search?q=life+sentences

However, noteworthy is the TRIVIAL amount of support that these sorts of measures have received. they will never get to the required 100,00. Many will never get to 100

Is the website not publicised enough?
Are the issues simply not that important?
Are the petitions simply wrong?

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#583814 - 16th Sep 2011 11:27pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: Snodvan]
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Many european and non european countries have national service from 18years of age..no choice..it HAS to be completed! It teaches the lads..(who come out of it men)..self respect, respect for others and to appreciate life. Not all the lads are packed off to war as is a common misconception. For 15months-2 years they serve their country and are proud to tell people they have done this. They energe with a sense of self belief.It also lets them see there is another side to life. Sounds good to me!! Surely it would do some of the scallys on the wirral good to know what discipline and self control mean. It also teaches young men how to take responsibilty for their actions. If you don't agree with that..how about boot camps..surely either option holds some solution towards the problems.

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#583815 - 16th Sep 2011 11:35pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: janjan]
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My brother inlaw is from Iran & when his Mother died recently, he could'nt go back to Iran to see his mum off because if he did he would of been arrested & banged up for 3 years. His dad did what any dad would of done when the Iranian/Iraqi war was at full pelt, he got his son out instead of sending him for National Service as he knew he would probably lose him. What would you do? send your son in to war or get him to a safe place?
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#583816 - 16th Sep 2011 11:36pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: davaw1]
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High car insurance has already proved that young drivers who can't afford to pay it just drive around uninsured!! The feral gangs are a huge problem and with the recent spate of burglarys and car theft in poulton and seacombe, the police are stretched to the limit..It would seem their powers are being systematically taken away by the do-gooders. Enough of the; 'they had a traumatic upbringing and thats why they mugged/stole/stabbed' etc..Everybody on this planet knows right from wrong! You do wrong you pay the price..end of! One rule for all..or is that to easy for the do-gooders to comprehend?

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#583818 - 16th Sep 2011 11:48pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: Pepper_Head]
janjan Offline
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As I said not everyone is sent to fight for their country. I take it he couldn't go back to Iran because he didn't do his national service? I understand the reasons for sending him out of the country, anyone would think about doing the same..but look at the price he has and is paying! He could be mown down by a car, knifed in the street..any one of a hundred bad things could happen to him where he lives now..so the statement of 'probably lose him' is the same as the examples I've stated...possibilities', & not necessarily what will happen. He is currently exiled from his country for not doing what thousands of young men have to do every year. That to me is a high price to pay, for something that might never have happened.

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#583819 - 16th Sep 2011 11:58pm Re: Death Penalty [Re: janjan]
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Originally Posted By: janjan
As I said not everyone is sent to fight for their country. I take it he couldn't go back to Iran because he didn't do his national service? I understand the reasons for sending him out of the country, anyone would think about doing the same..but look at the price he has and is paying! He could be mown down by a car, knifed in the street..any one of a hundred bad things could happen to him where he lives now..so the statement of 'probably lose him' is the same as the examples I've stated...possibilities', & not necessarily what will happen. He is currently exiled from his country for not doing what thousands of young men have to do every year. That to me is a high price to pay, for something that might never have happened.


Dont get me wrong, I know where your coming from. young men you say? what age are you talking? Get a grip? He did'nt choose not to fight, his parents decided he was'nt going to fight & rightly so. So what age is acceptable to send these Men out to fight? 14? 15? 16? 17? 18?
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#583827 - 17th Sep 2011 12:42am Re: Death Penalty [Re: Pepper_Head]
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Registered: 26th Apr 2011
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

There is the link to Wikipedia. Just comparing the UK with the US as two similar developed countries with similar (deteriorating) cultures, it would appear that tougher sentences and the death penalty do not act as a deterrent to serious crime.

Perhaps if we stopped criminalising our youngsters for everything (as the original poster appears to want to do) and stopped putting them in prison (with no meaningful rehabilitation) where all they do is become trained criminals, we may get a better society.

I will leave you to find the link to show that reoffending rates for those sent to prison is higher than for those given community sentences.

I agree that we are not perfect, but people have to acknowledge that the harder punishments do not work, and that rehabilataion is the better way (as most of the sensible European countries with lower crime rates do).

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