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#565604 - 20th Aug 2011 2:35pm Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :(
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I hope the crew managed to eject in time. Thoughts are with them all sick
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#565615 - 20th Aug 2011 3:28pm Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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I hope the crew managed to eject in time. Thoughts are with them all sick


There is only one but I echo your sentiments.

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#565621 - 20th Aug 2011 3:43pm Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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There's the pilot and the Circus, which I make 2 per plane. I meant as in all of the Red Arrows & support crew when I said thoughts are with them all.
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#565634 - 20th Aug 2011 4:16pm Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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That's 2 per plane for a flypast.
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#565664 - 20th Aug 2011 5:32pm Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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What is a circus? Bearing in mind I spent two years on an RAF station and red arrows were always single seaters.

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#565668 - 20th Aug 2011 5:47pm Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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This from the BBC News story ;
'Both cockpit seats are fitted with Martin-Baker Mark 10B rocket boosted ejection seats.'

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#565669 - 20th Aug 2011 5:51pm Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Helles]
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Bearing in mind I spent two years on an RAF station and red arrows were always single seaters.
The Red Arrows use Hawk T1 trainer aircraft which are twin-seaters though I think they generally only have single crew for shows.

Even in the days of the Gnats, the Red Arrows used the trainer two seater version and that is going back some time.
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#565736 - 20th Aug 2011 7:59pm Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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Oh dear - the Pilot didn't make it. BBC News item was just updated. (see link in OP)
RIP.

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#565748 - 20th Aug 2011 8:40pm Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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A full engineering investigation has been undertaken into potential faults found on the Martin-Baker Mk10B ejection seats fitted to Hawk T Mk 1 aircraft QUOTED ON 5 AUGUST 2010
http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/hawk-flight-ban-lift-sees-red-arrows-return.html
It really makes you wonder how much care is taken to routine safety in light of the accident in Crete last year. http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/raf_red_arrows_crash_updated.html
Although they look absolutely wonderful with all the acrobatic displays and smoke, how much intensive training and concentration can they take under pressure? And how much stress, even if it is not obvious, can they tolerate knowing that one slight error, whether it is theirs or a fault, can see them lose their life? I do admire them though and love watching their displays but shudder at the thought of even a slight miscalculation in their manoeuvres. Its so sad to see someone so young lose their life. Hopefully the RAF with hold a full investigation and find the cause.

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#565851 - 21st Aug 2011 12:19am Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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We'd been told just after that it was Red 4 but didn't want to believe it. Only 4 weeks ago, I was on cloud 9 having been entertained by Jon & the rest of the Reds. I feel so sorry for Emma, his wife, as she was there watching.

It's been a hellish afternoon but nothing compared to what they must all be feeling.

RIP Jon Egging - thank you for the amazing memories. You'll never be forgotten Eggman. You flew with the best, now fly with different wings.
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#565854 - 21st Aug 2011 12:28am Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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So sad! Last time I saw them fly was in Brize Norton when they where bringing home lost boys from 'stan

RIP

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#565855 - 21st Aug 2011 12:32am Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: ponytail]
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Originally Posted By: ponytail
A full engineering investigation has been undertaken into potential faults found on the Martin-Baker Mk10B ejection seats fitted to Hawk T Mk 1 aircraft QUOTED ON 5 AUGUST 2010
http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/hawk-flight-ban-lift-sees-red-arrows-return.html
It really makes you wonder how much care is taken to routine safety in light of the accident in Crete last year. http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/raf_red_arrows_crash_updated.html
Although they look absolutely wonderful with all the acrobatic displays and smoke, how much intensive training and concentration can they take under pressure? And how much stress, even if it is not obvious, can they tolerate knowing that one slight error, whether it is theirs or a fault, can see them lose their life? I do admire them though and love watching their displays but shudder at the thought of even a slight miscalculation in their manoeuvres. Its so sad to see someone so young lose their life. Hopefully the RAF with hold a full investigation and find the cause.


Driver error, obviously.
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#565859 - 21st Aug 2011 12:38am Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: _Ste_]
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Originally Posted By: ponytail
A full engineering investigation has been undertaken into potential faults found on the Martin-Baker Mk10B ejection seats fitted to Hawk T Mk 1 aircraft QUOTED ON 5 AUGUST 2010
http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/hawk-flight-ban-lift-sees-red-arrows-return.html
It really makes you wonder how much care is taken to routine safety in light of the accident in Crete last year. http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/raf_red_arrows_crash_updated.html
Although they look absolutely wonderful with all the acrobatic displays and smoke, how much intensive training and concentration can they take under pressure? And how much stress, even if it is not obvious, can they tolerate knowing that one slight error, whether it is theirs or a fault, can see them lose their life? I do admire them though and love watching their displays but shudder at the thought of even a slight miscalculation in their manoeuvres. Its so sad to see someone so young lose their life. Hopefully the RAF with hold a full investigation and find the cause.


Driver error, obviously.


Not obviously at all!! Jon may well have given his life to make sure the Hawk didn't end up in someones house and kill them! He could have easily banged out but he steered away from residential areas. I think that shows what an amazing pilot he is/was* and moreso what kind of person he is/was*.

Best not to make assumptions until we have the facts.

* Still can't get my head round it.
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#565874 - 21st Aug 2011 1:11am Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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A machine like that does not fail.

R.I.Peace to the guy. He went out enjoying himself.
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#565880 - 21st Aug 2011 1:17am Re: Red Arrows Hawk crashes near Bournemouth :( [Re: Wench]
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Of course they do! Not every single mm of every single part can be checked by the mechs or circus every time they fly. There's plenty of incidents of planes and helo's failing.
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