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#553228 - 28th Jul 2011 9:28pm Excessive and Not in the public interest
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Is it just me or is the treatment of this lady in court waaaay to excessive? What purpose has the tagging in all honestly? Its initial purpose was to keep re offenders inside at times when they are risk of of reoffending at certain times.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...tronic-tag.html

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#553238 - 28th Jul 2011 9:38pm Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: puntoar]
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Sounds like a deal - the magistrates have not fined her above awarding costs. She probably wouldn't go out anyway during the curfew hours.

Basically the magistrates have done the minimum to her whilst finding her guilty.

Sounds harsh but may suit her given the alternatives.
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#553269 - 28th Jul 2011 10:26pm Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: diggingdeeper]
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It's daft isn't it?

Last year, an old lady got tagged for selling a goldfish to an under age child ( age 14 instead of 16 ) - what was the point of tagging her?

To make sure she doesn't sell goldfish illegally out of hours?

I'm pretty sure this country has bigger problems to worry about than that.

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#553275 - 28th Jul 2011 10:54pm Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: puntoar]
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Absolute joke, punishing people for loving and being attached to something.
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#553282 - 28th Jul 2011 11:05pm Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: Sanchez]
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R.S.P.C.A. Nuff said.

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#553284 - 28th Jul 2011 11:07pm Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: Silverback]
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R.S.P.C.A. Nuff said.


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#553320 - 29th Jul 2011 1:40am Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: puntoar]
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it is hard when money is tight, an you love your pet, but you find a way. It does say if she had took it to the vets when it got sick it wouldn't have suffered and they propably could have made its quality of life better till it was too ill to stay alive. She said she couldn't take it because it was incontinent so no bus or taxi would take her, how does she know, i wouldn't have said anything and just booked one. She says misguided love, or is it more too poor and ignorant to find help?? Im torn on this one. Maybe a warning or a fine or a ban from pets would have seemed more fitting, but she says it has made her feel ashamed and humiliated, and maybe thats what she should feel? So maybe the tag was the right option after all. Umm a tough one.

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#553324 - 29th Jul 2011 6:15am Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: puntoar]
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Daily Mail. Nuff said.

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#553325 - 29th Jul 2011 6:33am Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: Shambo]
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Originally Posted By: Shambo
Daily Mail. Nuff said.


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#553326 - 29th Jul 2011 7:25am Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: puntoar]
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surly this opens up a debate about euthanasia...
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#553327 - 29th Jul 2011 7:30am Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: Sanchez]
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A tag is more than enough, surely you don't want to see the old lady put down. noonoo
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#553345 - 29th Jul 2011 9:16am Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: Sanchez]
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surly this opens up a debate about euthanasia...
For who?
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#553346 - 29th Jul 2011 9:24am Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: puntoar]
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Since when did fitting a tag become acceptable 'punishment fitting the crime'? This is humiliating and the judge should be repremanded or sectioned!

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#553361 - 29th Jul 2011 9:48am Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: puntoar]
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Seems downright bizarre when you look at it from one side, but I think DD has a point, magistrates have a set of guidelines from minimum punishments to maximum punishments and it may well be that they felt a tag on her leg that she can cover up and that probably won't actually restrict her freedom too much is a better bet than a hefty fine she may not be able to afford or, for example, prison time.

Imagine the outcry if she'd been sentenced to 6 months say?

The Daily Mail will always take a story like this and run with it, probably leading into some story about how Labour screwed up and allowed it to happen back from the days when they were running the place.

Yes, humiliating, I agree but we don't have the full story nor are we in possession of the sentencing guidelines for the crime. We also don't know exactly how screwed up the poor dog was and how much suffering she put it through.

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#553381 - 29th Jul 2011 10:40am Re: Excessive and Not in the public interest [Re: ]
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When I get old but can still make it to the park, and smile and am content to be with my family, even though I might be incontinent - does this mean I will be put down by some outside authority and my family wont be helped by anyone?

A bliddy disaster!

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