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#549674 - 20th Jul 2011 10:16am Council green light for 20mph zones *****
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Council green light for 20mph zones
what are peoples views on this.

COUNCILLORS have backed a move to cut speed limits to 20mph in all Wirral residential roads.

The scheme was launched in February of last year when Liberal Democrats championed a move by to allocate 270,000 to set up 20mph zones in all residential areas throughout the borough.

The issue was pushed through at a meeting of the full council on Monday when Lib Dems and Conservatives united to outvote Labour.

Liberal Democrat councillor Bob Wilkins said: "I'm delighted we have been able to make sure that the council has re-stated its commitment to this important road safety policy to introduce 20mph zones on non-major roads in residential areas.

"This should help to make Wirral's roads safer for everyone.

"However, I was very disappointed to see that the Labour group have withdrawn support for the policy.

"I am very concerned that, despite money having been made available in the last two successive council budgets, Labour will be looking to find a way to try to frustrate the will of the majority of the council further delay implementation of 20mph zones."

The ruling Labour group was against restarting the scheme as it considered Wirral is facing more pressing priorities for such expenditure.

A statement by their highways chief Cllr Harry Smith said the group believes that "in the current difficult budgetary climate where high numbers of priorities are competing for limited resources, it would be prudent to consider the speed and scale of this programme as part of the overall budget process before making any final financial commitments."
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#549681 - 20th Jul 2011 10:29am Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Clive]
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How can a scheme which will help save lies and horrific injuries have a less pressing priority than other schemes??? The mind boggles, they are just grandstanding for political ends. Lives come first you numpties.
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#549683 - 20th Jul 2011 10:40am Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Clive]
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Enforcement ? How ? Yes, if EVERYONE kept to the 20mph limit lots of lives would be saved. The trouble is, try telling that to the pompous, big-headed, brain dead numptie in its flash heap of tin who's breathing down your exhaust pipe because he wants to show how stupidly fast he can go and you are doing 20mph ! (and breathe..........)

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#549699 - 20th Jul 2011 11:22am Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Clive]
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Seems there is two supporters in this thread so far. How about instead of cutting speed, which will cut accidents, admittedly, but it would cut even more accidents and almost eliminate deaths at 10mph. How low do you go? Man with a red flag back?

Educating drivers to drive at speeds appropriate to the conditions is better, slow down during busy times when people are about, and then the speed limit when it is quiet.

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#549705 - 20th Jul 2011 11:40am Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: ]
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My sympathy knows no ends for any pedestrian that gets knocked down or run over on a pavement, it diminishes greatly when their run over on the road, God forbid if it ever happens to me while crossing a road but there is only one person i shall blame and thats me. While i wouldn't like to see a free for all on our roads, the pedestrian has to take some responsibility when crossing them. These silly little bumps they put on the roads only slow cars down as they get to them, once over, most cars speed up until they get to the next one, on saying that most don't even slow down for them, stand outside my house if proof is needed. Unless they can back up these 20mph zones with speed cams, there pretty useless.
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#549706 - 20th Jul 2011 11:41am Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Pinzgauer
Enforcement ? How ? Yes, if EVERYONE kept to the 20mph limit lots of lives would be saved. The trouble is, try telling that to the pompous, big-headed, brain dead numptie in its flash heap of tin who's breathing down your exhaust pipe because he wants to show how stupidly fast he can go and you are doing 20mph ! (and breathe..........)

Some people are in a hurry, you know? Work?
You sound like one of those annoying people sticking to just under the speed limit. It's people like that that cause accidents in my opinion!
"I've been driving 50" blah blah, you also passed you test in the frigging army pal, no contest there then? Ha, pass your test properly then moan.
Oh look, it's always a micra when there's a jam too, ram it out the way and carry on. Oh no, if only. mad
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#549707 - 20th Jul 2011 11:43am Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Clive]
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I thought the speed bumps were meant to reduce road accidents?
I think they should have it done with and put every driver in jail forever.
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#549710 - 20th Jul 2011 12:00pm Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: DavidB]
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I thought the speed bumps were meant to reduce road accidents?
I think they should have it done with and put every driver in jail forever.

Jesus wept!
I thought you had more sence, we don't need our prisons clogged up with innocent drivers thanks.
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#549715 - 20th Jul 2011 12:11pm Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Clive]
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keep it on topic please opinions are welcome.

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#549724 - 20th Jul 2011 12:41pm Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Mark]
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really do agree with the 20mph on residential streets, i tend not to do over 25 in them now.

so long as they remove the stupid speed bumps that litter our roads and wreck our cars !
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#549735 - 20th Jul 2011 1:09pm Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: _Ste_]
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Originally Posted By: _Ste_
Originally Posted By: Pinzgauer
Enforcement ? How ? Yes, if EVERYONE kept to the 20mph limit lots of lives would be saved. The trouble is, try telling that to the pompous, big-headed, brain dead numptie in its flash heap of tin who's breathing down your exhaust pipe because he wants to show how stupidly fast he can go and you are doing 20mph ! (and breathe..........)

Some people are in a hurry, you know? Work?
You sound like one of those annoying people sticking to just under the speed limit. It's people like that that cause accidents in my opinion!
"I've been driving 50" blah blah, you also passed you test in the frigging army pal, no contest there then? Ha, pass your test properly then moan.
Oh look, it's always a micra when there's a jam too, ram it out the way and carry on. Oh no, if only. mad


And if any proof was needed for the implimentation of the reduced speed limit, there it is, in all its proud glory!

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#549736 - 20th Jul 2011 1:13pm Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Clive]
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Yeah it is. Although I do stick to speed limits I also get annoyed when some Pratt is doing 20mph in a 30 zone.
Selfish and dangerous.
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#549739 - 20th Jul 2011 1:25pm Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Clive]
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Just for the record ste No, I didn't pass my test in the Army - I've never been in the Army. Yes, I did pass my test "properly" when I was 17. I drive at a speed that's SAFE for the location, conditions etc. I drive a 6x6 Pinzgauer - not a Micra. I may be an eco-terrorist but not an idiot. Oh yes ste, I passed my Advanced Driving Test with ROSPA a while back. Go slowly without reason with them and it's a fail! Please do NOT make bland assumptions about people you don't know.


Mark has already given you the hint. End of.

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#549742 - 20th Jul 2011 1:31pm Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Clive]
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I wasn't on about you, it was a figure of speech smack

Calm down dear.
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#549743 - 20th Jul 2011 1:32pm Re: Council green light for 20mph zones [Re: Clive]
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I think 20mph is built up residential areas is wholly appropriate. But at the same time I think our speed limits in general are pretty rubbish.

People assume that doing the speed limit makes it safe and there are far too many people who will write you off as a danger to society the second you break them.

Oh, and these will be the same people who will do 30 past a school at kicking out time because it's legal and therefore safe then have a little tut to themselves when I pass them at 90mph on the motorway in the middle of the night.

Then you have the 40mph brigade who will scoot along at 40mph in a 30mph and stick to it when the road opens up to an NSL - heaven forbid you attempt an overtake at this point. Oh, and if you do, fully expect them to be up your chuff the second you get back into a 30mph built up area!

Someone mentioned little sympathy for peds being hit on the road, I agree to a certain extent, but we all make mistakes and in my opinion it's better to be alive afterwards than dead or seriously injured. Then there's the kids.

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