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#542752 - 6th Jul 2011 11:56am Police seal off Clifton Road
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Anyone know what's happening and why such a big area is police taped off from bottom of Clifton Road?


Edited by Mark (6th Jul 2011 4:04pm)
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#542757 - 6th Jul 2011 12:02pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: fun2nou]
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Please see below.

Kind regards,
Ian


http://www.wirralnews.co.uk/wirral-news/...80491-29003702/

A SUSPECTED burglar was stabbed during a raid at a Wirral house.

Police sealed off Clifton Road, Birkenhead, this morning after an elderly householder fought off a night time raid by two men Ė leaving one of them with knife wounds.

The 72-year-old suffered cuts to his face during a struggle with the men at 5.30am. The men, both aged 39 and from Birkenhead were in custody this morning.

Stunned neighbours saluted the have-a-go-heroís actions as they woke up to police tape blocking their street and traffic diversions.

Dave Hughes, 46, said: "I was up at 6am when they were putting the tape up and I spoke to a police officer.

"They said that two people had broken into a house and the occupier had stabbed one of them.

"People who break in deserve everything they get."

Joanne Russell said: "I think they got here between 6am and 7am. My partner left at 4.30am and there was no sign of anything then.

"My daughter woke me up. It makes me feel sick seeing all these police here. Itís scary."

Two patrol cars remained at the scene this morning, protecting evidence, but there was no sign of CID or forensic support at the semi detached, turn of the century home.

Locals were being turned away from the junction of Borough Road and Clifton Road near the Birkenhead Tunnel flyover.

A neighbour, who did not wish to be named, added: "Itís obviously something very serious. I first became aware of this when we brought the kids out to get them to school.

"Itís fairly worrying to have something like this happen when you have a young family. It makes you wonder if you want to go on living here."

Less than a week ago justice minister Ken Clarke said it was acceptable for a homeowner to pick up a knife and stab a burglar. He said that an act of Parliament would be used to "clarify" the existing legal right to use "reasonable force" against intruders.

His remarks were prompted by the arrest of a householder after a burglar was stabbed in Salford the previous week.

Mr Clarke added it would remain illegal to pursue intruders, to attack them or to shoot them as they fled.

Mr Clarke said: "If an old lady finds she has got an 18 year-old burgling her house and she picks up a kitchen knife and sticks it in him she has not committed a criminal offence and we will make that clear."

Anyone with information is urged to call police on 0151 777 2265.



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#542766 - 6th Jul 2011 12:14pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: Boogles]
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Thanks for that. I had read on the News that it had been in Rodney Street which had confused me.

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#542768 - 6th Jul 2011 12:16pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: fun2nou]
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clap

Good on the old timer.
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#542773 - 6th Jul 2011 12:32pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: fun2nou]
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yeah, well done to the old chap. he deserves a medal

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#542779 - 6th Jul 2011 12:45pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: sean]
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well done him for defending his rights and his life !

bet the scrote who was on the pointy end will think twice in future
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#542814 - 6th Jul 2011 2:01pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: jabber_Ish]
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good on him - desrves a medal grin

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#542815 - 6th Jul 2011 2:01pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: jabber_Ish]
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Originally Posted By: jabber
well done him for defending his rights and his life !

bet the scrote who was on the pointy end will think twice in future


Yes jabber I quite agree seems as a prison sentence is no deterant to most of them.
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#542829 - 6th Jul 2011 2:32pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: fun2nou]
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clap Good on them!! If anyone broke in here, they'd get a pair of crutches round their heads.
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#542830 - 6th Jul 2011 2:34pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: _Ste_]
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Originally Posted By: _Ste_
Originally Posted By: jabber
well done him for defending his rights and his life !

bet the scrote who was on the pointy end will think twice in future


Yes jabber I quite agree seems as a prison sentence is no deterant to most of them.


Gap in the market opening up for someone scummy with spare cash........... body armour for burglars!!

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#542832 - 6th Jul 2011 2:35pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: fun2nou]
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As a lawyer, I have to advise against use of excessive force in this way. Do enough to get rid of them. I accept and realise that the law is not brilliant in this respect, but those of you advocating stabbing a human being and suggesting that it is an acceptable use of force are far from correct.

Remember, many of you were the ones feeling sorry for the chap threatening to throw himself off a crane. People who have suffered serious mental trauma or who are that desperate for money/fix etc will do things like this.

Kind regards,
Ian

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#542837 - 6th Jul 2011 3:08pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: Boogles]
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Originally Posted By: Boogles
As a lawyer, I have to advise against use of excessive force in this way. Do enough to get rid of them. I accept and realise that the law is not brilliant in this respect, but those of you advocating stabbing a human being and suggesting that it is an acceptable use of force are far from correct.

Remember, many of you were the ones feeling sorry for the chap threatening to throw himself off a crane. People who have suffered serious mental trauma or who are that desperate for money/fix etc will do things like this.

Kind regards,
Ian




Two strapping lads wide awake and ready for trouble break in to your house while you're aleep.

What's "enough to get rid of them"?


Let's see, give them a chinese burn and hope it scares them off.

Scratch then with a hat pin and hope they leg it to get medical treatment in case it goes septic?

Hand everything you possess over and ask if they want tea or coffee to go with that?

The best ways to stick a knife into them until they leave or are incapacitated enough not to stick their knife into you or use the tool on you they used to break into your house!!

It's not in a solicitors interest to have burgling scum scared to break into peoples houses, it's a loss of income for them after all!!

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#542840 - 6th Jul 2011 3:17pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: fun2nou]
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I rather suspect that you know what I mean, and I don't propose to enter into the rights and wrongs of solicitors either.

Excessive force is just that... excessive force.

Now this old chap could well be in trouble, or could be deemed that what he did was appropriate. A lot will come down to number of stab wounds and their location. If they were stabbed in the back whilst leaving having already ransacked the place then that is excessive.

You can't stab someone to prevent them leaving, you could perhaps stab them to stop them doing the same to you.

The bottom line is that in the eyes of the law, the life of the person in your house, regardless of whether he should or should not be there, is more important than your belongings.

Of course, I am not in possession of the full facts of the case and it would be wrong of me to apply any of the above to the case in point. Therefore everything I say is 'for example'.

Kind regards,
Ian

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#542842 - 6th Jul 2011 3:26pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: fun2nou]
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I think the gov should post a health warning notice to all houses that you can put in your window stating BEWARE YOU BREAK IN AT YOUR OWN RISK - THINK TWICE BEFORE ENTERING.Also a name and shame notice with pic put in local shop windows of anyone caught and convicted in that area

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#542844 - 6th Jul 2011 3:26pm Re: Police seal off Clifton Road [Re: fun2nou]
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As long as you only do what you "honestly and instinctively believe is necessary in the heat of the moment", that would be the strongest evidence of you acting lawfully and in self defence. This is still the case if you use something to hand as a weapon.

As a general rule, the more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence. As long as you don't chase after them to continue your attack or attack them further if you render them unconscious, then it's very rare for the CPS/DPP to prosecute.

As for stabbing someone - if the intruder is the one that brought the weapon into the building with them (making it an elevated offence of aggravated burglary) then I honestly can't see the CPS prosecuting the householder as it wouldn't be in the public interest.
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