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#456251 - 31st Dec 2010 2:10pm How 750,000 of the dole queue have...
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How 750,000 of the dole queue have turned down or quit work

More than 600,000 of the unemployed have faced sanctions for either refusing to take on work or quitting a job to go on benefits, it emerged last night.
Around 177,000 of those on Jobseeker’s Allowance rejected reasonable job offers, while 444,000 quit their employment voluntarily and claimed benefit, figures show.
A further 123,000 went on to the benefit after being fired for misconduct.

All faced a cut in their benefits for their behaviour but ministers are now proposing tougher sanctions for the so-called ‘job refuseniks’.
Anyone who breaches strict rules, including refusing to show up for training, could have their benefits withheld for at least three months. Under the proposals claimants would have to accept reasonable job offers and the jobless would have to sign up to ‘claimant commitment’, which will define what is expected of them in return for income support.
JobCentres will also provide support with personalised back-to-work programmes.

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#456255 - 31st Dec 2010 2:14pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: MissGuided]
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Be honest, we all know some fiddlers. Sort the b......ds out.
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#456284 - 31st Dec 2010 2:35pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: BandyCoot]
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i've got a job , albeit a shit job , but the pay is ok so..... but my question is , in whos opinion are the jobs that are turned down " reasonable".What is " reasonable"... i know you will get the i would sweep the street brigade , but would you really?

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#456288 - 31st Dec 2010 2:38pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: Toffeenose]
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i suppose i should of clicked on the link first....The Mail...i might of known.

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#456290 - 31st Dec 2010 2:40pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: Toffeenose]
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It's in the Telegraph as well ace.
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#456291 - 31st Dec 2010 2:42pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: BandyCoot]
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so its in 2 tory rags then???

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#456293 - 31st Dec 2010 2:45pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: BandyCoot]
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Originally Posted By: BandyCoot
Be honest, we all know some fiddlers. Sort the b......ds out.
some of the ones i know , employ people cash in hand ...what we gonna do about them?

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#456294 - 31st Dec 2010 2:47pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: Toffeenose]
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so its in 2 tory rags then???

Yep, but that's not what I am on about. I've always grafted for what I want, e.g. I need some roof work doing so am going for that census work to get some dosh towards it. Not wishing to get on my high horse but I am 68 and don't really fancy working, but if I have ever wanted something I have always worked for it and reckon there are too may idle gits out there who want it for nowt and think the rest of us owe them a living. I've picked sprouts, potatoes, weeds and worked in a pie factory and a bakery. Worked in Vauxhalls and on the buses. Done fibre glass factory work and other kinds of shoit....see what I'm getting at? If you want something then graft for it. Even my bloody pension gets taxed.
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#456296 - 31st Dec 2010 2:51pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: BandyCoot]
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another topic that's likely to have opposing points of view

I'll get my coat and leave the room before I have a good rant

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#456298 - 31st Dec 2010 2:59pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: derekdwc]
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rant away derek, jase will always knock you off if you get too carried away.
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#456300 - 31st Dec 2010 2:59pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: Toffeenose]
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Its about time the powers to be started looking at,
Are benefits to high or are wages to low. It seems to me that if someone can earn more money on benefits than working, they are never likely to get a job, thats going to reduce their standard of living. By making people work for poor wages and making their money up in benefits, isn't that using my taxes to prop up firms for shareholders etc, shouldn't these firms be made to pay wages in line with what people can earn on the dole. Governments will do anything to get figures down, regardless who suffers, as long as it looks good on there campaign garbage. More propaganda, the more they pick on the jobless, the more people will think there are jobs to have.
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#456301 - 31st Dec 2010 3:02pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: bert1]
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Bert, you and I can remember the old cry "£20 a week for everyone." Well, I think we have got it but what's the use. People who don't do a bit can't expect to get the same as those who are getting their hands dirty. Without the firms making profits then there's no work anyway. Single mothers moaning because they can't afford to take the kids abroad on holiday? What's that all about?
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#456302 - 31st Dec 2010 3:05pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: derekdwc]
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I've worked hard all my workin life as well , never asked for anything , payed my way , encouraging my kids to do the same.But i would n't agree with the source that was offered when having a go at a group whom that paper likes to have a go at..Dole spongers do my head in as well, they are the ones that need targeting , not a group of people that may have turned down jobs , that may have been dangerous ,may have been miles away , etc etc , thats why i asked what was reasonable.

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#456304 - 31st Dec 2010 3:10pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: Toffeenose]
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BTW, i have 2 friends whom were made unemployed in the last year , and they have been hounded relentlessly to take any job , where as people i know who have never worked , and spend most of there days in the doorway of the local , smoking , are not getting challenged.That pisses me off

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#456305 - 31st Dec 2010 3:11pm Re: How 750,000 of the dole queue have... [Re: Toffeenose]
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See where you are coming from toffee but if I needed work I was never too fussy, did what had to be done. If travelling round the world isn't miles away then I don't know what is, and it wasn't all comfy stuff either. It always sounds bad when you blow your own trumpet but that's what I did and I can't understand the reluctance of people not taking whatever is going even if it is just to tide them over. If a submarine isn't dangerous then I don't know what is, and I'm chuckling now.
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