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Student demonstrations? #451395
11th Dec 2010 12:44pm
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Does anyone know if there are to be any demonstrations in the Wirral Area?


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Re: Student demonstrations? [Re: ] #451407
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Why do you wanna smash something up or insult our Monarchy?

Re: Student demonstrations? [Re: insanekitty] #451411
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Re: Student demonstrations? [Re: insanekitty] #451420
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Originally Posted by insanekitty
Why do you wanna smash something up or insult our Monarchy?


Its wrong to tar them all with the same brush, they are not all bad kids.


God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


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Personal view - if the students can't see that the deal offered is the best, and fairest, they are ever going to get then perhaps they do not deserve to attend Uni.

The key points being that this deal will NOT stop anyone attending Uni because there is no pay back until (probably) several years after they graduate ie will only start (and initially at a low level) when they earn over 21K.

- This said by a parent who has paid up front the full fees (and all living / travel expenses) for a son to attend Uni for getting on for 4 years. The Uni is outside UK so there were NO loans of any sort to provide support. That in my 45Ks worth.

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Re: Student demonstrations? [Re: Snodvan] #451435
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Its pretty pointless having a go at any particular government, or at least the main parties, they only differ mainly on the amount of contribution and on payback, where, when, etc. The worrying part for me is the erosion of what the British peoples have held dear in their way of life. If twenty years ago, the mention of paying for the education of our young ones in the manner of whats happening now, one would have been classed as a lunatic, and yet its happening now, whats next, what does the next 20 years hold, will secondary and grammar school eduction be expected to be financed the same way. Whats next?


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11th Dec 2010 2:49pm
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If there is any on the Wirral let me know, I'll bring my lifebouy soap and a scrubbing brush with me.

Re: Student demonstrations? [Re: bert1] #451447
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I Have a much younger sister in Sixth form college at the moment who is hoping to go to university this year who is now absolutely terrified at the prospect of the amount of debt that she will be in when she leaves uni... She's a very bright girl who studies really hard and deserves the oportunity to study at uni. The qualification and career choice that she has chosen will be of more benefit to society than to herself. My mother is of pension age and my stepfather disabled and they are worried sick about the amount of debt that she is getting herself into. These fees are ridiculous, if you are from a middle class background maybe the prospect of 25k debt isnt so scary as to a family who have less than 9k per annum to survive on.
My own son was hoping to go to university in two years time... he is hoping that the Government doesn't continue to cut ordinary college courses in the area as he says that he will not be going to university at all now...

I am extremely ANGRY and upset with the Government, I feel that Nick Clegg in particular has behaved in a shamefully undemocratic manner and him and his party should be deeply ashamed of themselves. After all when he and his party were up for election many of the students voted for them on the strength that they did not agree with university fees and that education was a right and it should have beenshould be free for all.

I am appalled at the level of violence shown at these demonstrations those who were responsible should be punished and the full weight of the law brought down on them. I am disgusted that Prince Charles and The Dutchess of Cornwall were set upon by an angry mob. I am also disgusted at the level of intimidation used by the Police force during the London demonstrations (I sat and watched the demonstrations live on news24).

Now that they are privatising universities.. how long before it is Sixth Form colleges and secondary schools?
As for doing away with EMA..! how many families in Wirral rely on the EMA to pay for things that their kids need during 6th Form? I do know that while my son was at sixth form college he had lots of extra equipment, books, study guides and educational visits that he needed to pay for. One of which was a 'chemistry lecture' at a university at a cost of 45 which was held by the person who wrote the A Level Chemistry paper, my son told me that this was a discussion/lecture to tell the kids what weas going to be in the A level exam... If he had not had his EMA to put towards this 'educational visit' he would have been at a distinct disadvantage to all those who could afford to.

I really would like to take part in one of the smaller local, peaceful demonstration and show support for all those worried students and parents out there who have been betrayed
/rant over smile

Re: Student demonstrations? [Re: Handbag] #451450
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Well, when you put it like that....

smile

Re: Student demonstrations? [Re: Handbag] #451451
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Quote Handbag
'One of which was a 'chemistry lecture' at a university at a cost of 45 which was held by the person who wrote the A Level Chemistry paper, my son told me that this was a discussion/lecture to tell the kids what was going to be in the A level exam... If he had not had his EMA to put towards this 'educational visit' he would have been at a distinct disadvantage to all those who could afford to'

That's ridiculous, pay 45 to listen to someone tell students what was going to be in their exam, Jesus at least Dick Turpin wore a mask. Then again if I had to pay that when I was in BSFC 13 years ago I would have had to fork out of my part time cleaning job at 3.50 p/h as my parents didn't have the money. I had the chance to go to uni then but I didn't as I didn't think I would be able to afford it off my own back and paying it back after earning 15000.
Then again every generation probably thinks they were hard done by haha.

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You have to think now though, a lot of these students protesting now about these cuts are going to be the very people who earn a shedload of money and vote Tory to protect their large incomes in years to come. I think a lot of them want an easy ride now but when some of them earn their 'megabucks' it will be those students saying why the hell are the government putting my taxes up to fork out for uni education.

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p.s that doesn't apply for every student of course smile

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Re EMA, i'm confused. I thought it was stopping in Jan but in the Globe there was an ad from the met college about an open day for 16 to 18 year olds on 10 Jan.
in small print at the bottom it said 'students must apply for ema by 31 Dec ???


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Re: Student demonstrations? [Re: RUDEBOX] #451467
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after jan , ema doesnt exsist for new students, but exsisting students will get it for the rest of the school year.

A new alteritive is replacing it which you have to get through the school or collage you are attending

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Aaaaaw ok. Thanks.


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