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#423650 - 6th Aug 2010 12:45pm Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window
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Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window


Two policemen have been taken off operational duty after they smashed the window and kicked the windscreen of a pensioner's car following a 17-minute chase.





The pursuit began when Robert Clive Whatley, 70, drove away while Gwent Police officers were issuing him with a fixed penalty notice for not wearing a seatbelt.

A court heard Whatley drove off because he thought he had been dealt with and needed to take medication for a heart condition and a stroke, the Western Mail reported.

Whatley, who stayed within the speed limit during the chase, thought the police car following him was sounding its siren because it was escorting him home.

He pulled over when confronted by a police stinger device on the road into Usk, Monmouthshire, the paper said.

Footage of the incident, filmed from the police car and published online by the Western Mail, shows an officer running towards Whatley's black 4x4 and breaking the window when it stops on a country road.


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#423652 - 6th Aug 2010 12:55pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: ]
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I don't like to see anyone losing their job, those officers should be thrown out the force. Even more so as they knew who was in the car.
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#423653 - 6th Aug 2010 12:59pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: ]
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Need to see the outcome of any investigation.

He may have been annoyed about getting a ticket and used the "escort" excuse to hide his annoyance and reason for driving off - something you don see in the video.

If it had been clear the police hadnt finished with him and he drove off, then these are justified consequences.

Unfortunatly, the video doesnt make clear the lead up to the events, and what they show makes good viewing and News...

Id reserve judgement until the findings of the investigation are released.
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#423657 - 6th Aug 2010 1:22pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: StuyMac]
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Not justified at all, that's a clear case of a cop throwing his dummy out of the pram, the cop never even tried to open the door, didn't even know if it was locked or not, just started whacking the window, even if the cop thought he might have been in danger from a firearm, which i doubt, he should have more sense than do that. Its cops like him who get decent bobbies a bad name.
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#423660 - 6th Aug 2010 1:26pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: bert1]
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Can I have his job?

I saw this on another forum this morning and laughed at the douche bag who jumps on the bonnet raftl I think he's been watching too many movies. What if he decided to drive away lol. Idiots.

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#423661 - 6th Aug 2010 1:29pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: Wheels]
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Originally Posted By: Wheels
Can I have his job?

I saw this on another forum this morning and laughed at the douche bag who jumps on the bonnet raftl I think he's been watching too many movies. What if he decided to drive away lol. Idiots.


OK Wheels, the jobs yours, promise not to smash any windows, cross your heart and hope to.....
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#423666 - 6th Aug 2010 1:56pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: bert1]
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OH! FINALLY OPENING THE EYES TO THE PUBLIC NOW EH?
THIS CRAP AINT SHOCKING, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, JUST YOU LOT CHOOSE NOT TO BELIVE IT!!!!
THEY THINK THEY ARE A LAW ABOVE THEMSELVES, TOSSERS, TAKING CARS OFF PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARE INSURED, ASSAULTING PEOPLE AND SETTING THEM UP!
mad

mad HATE HURT KILL! mad

I HOPE THEY GET JAILED ONE DAY AND RAPED BY AN AIDS INFECTED SMACKRAT WITH SCABIES AND A PUSS INFECTED NOB!

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

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#423667 - 6th Aug 2010 1:57pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: bert1]
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Originally Posted By: bert1
the cop never even tried to open the door, didn't even know if it was locked or not


He may have tried the door when he drove off. He may have also noticed the pin down to show the door was locked - he does try it, and it is locked.

You dont see the start of the incident, so how can anyone make any educated conclusions?

We see 1/2 the story like this, and police are in the wrong, and you see evidence of a crime being committed and they dont do enough

Im not saying what they do in that clip is right or wrong, im just saying all the facts are not available.
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#423668 - 6th Aug 2010 2:00pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: _Ste_]
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Don;t any of you every watch police chases on the TV????

Standard protocall is to smash the window to distract the driver then drag them out and restrain...

This driver drove off from a police stop and then failed to stop, and he was dealt with like any other fail to stop would have been, regardless of his age!

If he couldn't understand that he was in a police chase then he shouldn't be on the road - he's a danger to the roads and the Police shouldn't even be in a investigation for doing what they are trained to do

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#423669 - 6th Aug 2010 2:02pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: StuyMac]
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Who said i was educated.

He whacked the window loads before he tried the door, the cops for the high jump I'm afraid, no getting out of it.....or is there, stand by for the next thrilling installment.
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#423670 - 6th Aug 2010 2:09pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: bert1]
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Originally Posted By: bert1
Who said i was educated.

He whacked the window loads before he tried the door, the cops for the high jump I'm afraid, no getting out of it.....or is there, stand by for the next thrilling installment.


I can find plenty of vids on youtube where the police smash the windows before opening the door first if you want?

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#423671 - 6th Aug 2010 2:11pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: bert1]
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raftl

He may have tried it though before the Range Rover stopped - as it drove off.

As we dont see all the clip, we cant tell if their actions are justified or not.

It is also unknown at what point the driver drove off. The police may have checked it for being stolen and required him to stay stationary whilst they checked that out.

It may well turn out to be an over reaction, but its typical of the Media to feed us 1/2 the story to get everyone jumping to conclusions.
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#423673 - 6th Aug 2010 2:17pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: MrHouston]
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I'm sure there are plenty of incidents like this on you tube, doesn't make it right on this occasion, If its usual procedure,why have the two cops been taken off operational duties, they were either alright doing it or they were not,they wouldn't have been taken off duty had they clearly done no wrong or are all policemen taken off duty when they smash car windows.
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#423674 - 6th Aug 2010 2:22pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: bert1]
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Without all the facts I guess we will never know think
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#423677 - 6th Aug 2010 2:26pm Re: Police Officers Smash Pensioner's Car Window [Re: StuyMac]
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In my opinion it's flared up on the News because of his age and his excuse for being wrongly chased

If you were in their shoes, you'd just pulled them over like hundreds of times before... you go back to your car to do checks like hundreds of times before and the driver drives off, you signal for them to pull over and they fail to stop so what do you do? You have to go into pursuit mode and that's what they do

But as said we don't know the whole story so I think the main part is the stop that we don't see

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