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A harsh attitude towards these daft ways is the only way I think!

I sick of you load of bigots... how the fook do you know that all Muslims were not born in this country...

I DO NOT agree with this (if it indeed happened at all, typical Daily Fail racist junk if you ask me), but you lot go on about being British and proud of it, id hazard a guess that most Muslims in this country are actually British citizens as well... how do you define British? It appears that to the majority on this site, you are only British if you are a white Christian, everyone else can fook off?

Well, actually, Paganism was on our shores a LONG time before Christianity even existed... in fact Christianity within the UK owes a lot to Paganism. As for this white supremacy tone you all appear to believe in, I do believe we have been here before...



British abroad?? Well yeah, we are fookin tossers abroad, our ex-pats very rarely learn anything other the most basic lingo, they want only British foods sold in British themed shops, British opubs on British named streets, and Christian churches, even in non predominantly Christian countries - hell there is even entire towns in Spain that have either become English, or been built by the English, for the English - they don't call them ex-pat communities for nothing. As for obeying foreign rules, laws and customs... yeah, of course we have never heard of any British ex-pats breaking laws, because the British are oh so perfect.

We didnt mind conquering half the known world and building up the British Empire, whilst instilling our language, values, beliefs, customs and laws on every civilisation we conquered, and we didnt (and still don't) mind non-British, non-Christian peoples growing our foods, our tea, making our clothes etc, but when it comes to giving them a fair place and an equal place in our society, it appears this is not allowed...

If you honestly feel so strongly about the British staying ethnic white and Christian as it was during the Roman Empire, then you should honestly consider joining the BNP or the National Front etc, and walk around with your head held in shame, how many of you would honestly have the balls to go to a Mosque and tell all the Muslims to "leave my county because you are not welcome here". Im a Roman Catholic, but I could become a Muslim if I wanted to... does this mean I am no longer a friend of any of yours, I am no longer welcome on the Wiki pro-BNP website, and I am no longer a British citizen, and somehow inferior to you high and mighty white Christians?

And by the way, Muslim aka Islam, is a faith, a religion, and is in no way related to a persons citizenship, colour of skin or level of intelligence.

Wiki is not a place for you biggots, and if you really must continue to read and believe the shite the anti-Muslim press such as the Daily Fail (these are the type of newspapers who when they heard councils were cutting back Christmas decorations in towns due to spending cuts and health & safety, instantly decided to adjust it to the old "offend Muslims" crap), and you must continue your Nazi, biggoted and fascist ways, then it really does say a lot about your intelligence, or rather lack of, in comparison to others... The Jewish community in the UK was persecuted in the early 1900's by both press and Christians, anti-Jewism in the UK (and indeed Europe) was rife, they were seen as second-class citizens through Christian jealousy and envy etc, and that ended up spilling over into a major factor in the reasoning behind the death of 50 million people, do you want that to happen again?

There's quite a mix-up in Muslim beliefs about dogs, whilst non-working dogs are berated there are other Islamic texts that show kindness to dogs and even the Qur'an mentions that the Seven Sleepers had a dog.

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Hitler shared a unique love of dogs as the British people too... he regarded dogs as every bit as important as the peoples of the Arian race. I'm not saying it is any way a bad thing, but its a con-incidence at least.

It is interesting to know that dogs are mentioned in the Quran many times, not just once, in verses 5:4, 7:176, 18:18 and 18:22 (3 times). NOWHERE does God call the dogs dirty animals or give any indication that they should be avoided or treated the way many Muslims think they should. Actually, the story of the people of the cave in Sura 18 gives the indication that we should appreciate them. When the number of the people of the cave, 3, 5 or 7 were mentioned in the Quran, God insisted every time on letting us know that their dog was


there with them. Their story can be as complete without the mention of the dog, but God did, why?

God is telling us these righteous people were in the cave with their dog. If it were not righteous to have dogs, God would not have told us that story in which the dog has to be remembered as being there. We have to know the quality of God, if we are to worship Him correctly. When God says something He means it, and when he does not, he means it as much. If God did not curse the dog and call it all kinds of name, it is because God wants us to know that He created that beautiful creature and He expects us to make all use and companionship with that animal that accompanied these righteous people of the cave.

Fabricated hadiths contradict the Quran. Many of these hadiths were narrated by Abu Hurayra. Abu Hurayra, whose name is translated as “father of the little cat,” apparently hated dogs and women. He narrated many hadiths that insulted women and cursed the dogs. He made them undesirable animals that need to be avoided and even killed.

Seeing as its been brought up, i don't see a problem in defending my Christian beliefs, more importantly, my British way of life, traditions and British law, this does not make me a bigot or racist, It does not make me an ideal candidate for the BNP or any similar Nazi party. The news paper article must have an element of truth in it otherwise I'm sure a court case would have followed and another newspaper would have taken great delight on reporting that. Are we now going to censor newspapers because its reporting on a particular, race, religion or colour.

We, as members of this forum or society in general have a right to comment on the breaking of British law and British traditions whether or not it has religious connotations. The people who refused access to the blind persons and guide dogs, regardless of whether they where born here or not were acting under religious beliefs and not British law. Its all very well being tollerant to imagrants and peoples of differing religions but we can not and should not allow British Law to be discarded because it doesn't fit with some religions.

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if they were born in this country then they should have no issues with fitting into our culture, not one of the post on this are in any way in my opinion of a biggoted nature, perhaps you have a problem with people with disabilities and think that they should be treated this way, also how dare you insert a picture of hitler on this site, my and many other peples parents and grandparents risked their lives and many died to ensure our future was safe from this madman I think wikiwirral moderators should ensure this image is removed instantly and this disscussion closed before it gets out of hand,

Thanks to Zippy and Bert - top quality posts

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hmm I think a lot of you should do your homework, the british are the biggest religious zealots/bigots of all time, the crusades, the reformation etc, they also had concentration camps a long time before the nazi's did in the boar war, then theres slavery, I could go on and on, why do you think so many hate us around the world? and its still going on, afghanistan for example, but of course thats to protect us here in blighty isnt it? my arse.

and to read some of your posts you believe anything you are told like good little sheep. make sure you close your windows at night so the muslims cant get in and drain your blood with their fangs.

I think most of the comments have really been about nationalism more than religion. In my travels and communique around the world I have rarely found much in the way of anti-British other than to do with football hooligans and even then there has been sympathy for the country having to be associated with them.

As an industrial nation we were much admired, unfortunately that is now history.

I hope you aren't mixing concentration camps and extermination camps, concentration camps are just a name for large internment camps which in the case of the second Boer was was actually a humanitarian solution to the alternatives. Despite that, Britain didn't invent concentration camps, many other countries had used them before us, including Russia, Spain and America. There were also forced labour camps which other countries have used extensively and we only on a minor scale.

I think that in this case it should be more about the policy of the (bus) company than the views of an individual. If First, Arriva or any other company permit guide dogs on their buses then the drivers should abide by these rules. If not, then they are not carrying out their job as instructed by their employer.

It would be like taking a job in a rest home and refusing to clean arses. Letting guide dogs on a bus is clearly something that every driver is expected to do as part of their duties and I don't see what religon has to do with it.