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#417569 - 1st Jul 2010 10:26am Arrow head
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Been rumaging through a box of my late dads that was put away when we cleared his house after he died.

Amongst quite a few roman artifacts there was this flint?/stone arrow head. Ive asked my mum about it and she says she thinks he found this in the south wirral somewhere. She thinks around the neston area

i dont think its flint but it is napped (sp) its certainly not of a local stone.

Can anyone help me with dating it ? or identifying the material it is made from pls

If anyone is knowledgable in this field i can meet to show u it for a proper examination


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#417595 - 1st Jul 2010 12:57pm Re: Arrow head [Re: jabber_Ish]
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I'd have to look at it properly but it may be a brown chert which whilst not local to Wirral, is often washed up on the dee shore from stones as far away as Scotland.

Great if you could find out the exact find spot and report it to the Portable Antiquities Scheme. It's not worth anything money wise, but all of the items could have significant archaeological value in an early lacking in prehistoric finds.

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#417596 - 1st Jul 2010 1:03pm Re: Arrow head [Re: Archaeo]
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forgot to say....the best person to show this to is a guy called Ron Cowell at Liverpool museum. He's a legend on stuff like this. It's a barbed and tanged arrowhead by the way. Unusually dull in appearance which makes me think it might not be chert.

Good luck!

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#417603 - 1st Jul 2010 1:25pm Re: Arrow head [Re: Archaeo]
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#417630 - 1st Jul 2010 4:59pm Re: Arrow head [Re: Archaeo]
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thanks , ive emailed him
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#417675 - 1st Jul 2010 8:54pm Re: Arrow head [Re: jabber_Ish]
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you're welcome. Report it to the PAS too, it's a significant find for Wirral. Any idea where the Roman finds are from? I'd be more helpful in identifying them if you want me to take a look.


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#417688 - 1st Jul 2010 10:36pm Re: Arrow head [Re: Archaeo]
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all the roman finds are identified but thx

you have pm deano606
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#418106 - 4th Jul 2010 7:22pm Re: Arrow head [Re: jabber_Ish]
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deano here are the pics of the other items i said i had


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#418107 - 4th Jul 2010 7:24pm Re: Arrow head [Re: jabber_Ish]
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#418156 - 5th Jul 2010 10:39am Re: Arrow head [Re: jabber_Ish]
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nice collection! Well the first few are relatively straight forward, I think!! They are called Melon beads and are made from a type of glass. There were a few coming into late iron-age Britain, but tend to be Roman in date. I think a similar one was found at excavations in Irby.The larger one looks like a globular bead, similar to finds from Meols. Possibly Roman, or remelted glass from Medieval. I wouldn't know for sure, I'm not an expert.

These are a set of hair pins, though one is possibly a darning needle. Can't tell what they're made of from the photo. Copper alloy would suggest Roman, though bone was used by Romans and throughout middle ages for these.

Gaming counters are really nice. I'd not be able to date them, but they're a high status object. They were often used for gaming, but also military strategy. The square thingey seems to be a bone dice, which I think you knew.

Bottom one is likely to have been a brooch, and would have had a pin attached to it.

Thanks for showing these, they're fantastic finds. They'd be really important to the archaeological record if you could discover where they were found.

Hope this was of some help. Like I say, I'm not a finds expert so don't take my word as gospel!

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#418192 - 5th Jul 2010 3:50pm Re: Arrow head [Re: Archaeo]
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thx deano

the hair pins are bone as is the "sailmakers" needle and are approx 6 inches long

I think the die has been made from a tessarae (sp) that are used to make the ornamental mosaic floors.

The counters are all made of bone. except teh big on ewhich appears to have been made from a piece of Black-burnished ware pottery

The ring is made of silver and it is labelled as a 2nd-3rd C
childs ring, it is very small!

Sorry i should have added some scale to the pics.
Much of the roman stuff came from Holt nr farndon,on the river Dee where there was a roman rooftile factory.


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#418235 - 5th Jul 2010 7:44pm Re: Arrow head [Re: jabber_Ish]
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ah right, well if it's small and silver it rules out a brooch, bit confused on the size!

Never seen BB ware reused as gaming counters, that's a first for me. The melon beads are lovely, not found that often.

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#418277 - 6th Jul 2010 7:20am Re: Arrow head [Re: Archaeo]
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my mum thinks the green glass bead was from meols beach at low tide. If youd like to take a look at the items for yourself i can arrange to meet up with u
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