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I went to Wirral Grammar and the Sixth form there. I am glad we were made to wear a uniform with BLACK SHOES... not BLACK TRAINERS. Beb High always seemed to have lads (and lasses) trying to break the system. White Reebok Classics, fully shaved head etc etc. Its almost like they thought they were "Cool" and being gainst the rules made them "Hard" therefore better than anyone else.
Well, Im happy to report that the lads in Wirral Grammar who tried to follow this sort of behaviour, the majority of them wasted their education, and didnt go onto University. I know further education is a choice, and not to everyones taste. But when theyre all unmarried, with bottom end jobs and with 2-3 kids (yes at 21) then it leaves a certain coincidence that needs solving.
Ok, Im not blaming the fact that the shoes they wore affected school attendance and what grades they achieved. However, it is a MASSIVE coincidence that the trouble makers, truants and people who dont want to learn, all try to break the rules... most of the time involving Uniform.
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I get the feeling that most of the comments on this topic are by people who have no school age kids or have never been faced with the horrible task of finding plain black school shoes for a child - especially a child who has narrow or wide or flat feet.
I have 2 kids - both teens and both in school.It has always been a nighmare buying properly fitting plain black shoes suitable to satisfy the schools. I would much prefer if they could wear something like trainers to school. They are good for your feet, provide plenty of support and are easy to get in the right size and fitting. Also they wear very well. I`m not talking about the expensive -label ones. Any old trainers would do
Both my kids have flat feet (very common). Their feet are also narrower than the average. Most of the plain black,'suitable shoes' are really crap for my daughters feet. They are mostly too flat (flat feet need a little bit of height at the heel end)
And don`t get me started on the flat ballet style leather pumps the girls are all wearing to school. They are definately damaging to anyone`s feet- let alone a kid with flat feet!!They provide no support and make the wearer grip with their toes to keep them on. But Hey! - they`re fine with the schools so thats all that matters then. Never mind the endless foot, knee and hip etc troubles storing up for the future
This topic is a case of >walk a mile in my shoes<. if you`ve never tried buying school shoes-espec for a teen ,you don`t know whats involved and maybe shouldnt be expressing your outrage and self righteousness on this topic
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Im standing by my comments.
I have got 2 kids and hated the 'school shoe issues' every summer.
Welcome to wiki btw.
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Thanx for the welcome. The dolly shoes you mentioned in your post - they`re the ones I`m on about. Not just flimsy and only last a month , but really, really bad for feet too. But the schools don`t seem to care about that issue.
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Craig, im sorry, but University is not the be-all and end-all of life. The government are pushing far more people to go to University than are actually needed to go, in their aspirations to have a 50% level, which is out of order and completely pointless.
Just because someone does not attend university, does not mean they will end up with 2 or 3 kids by the age of 21 and have dead-end jobs. Id like to refer you to the current jobless figures for thos who have been university educated, they are sky-rocketing.
I know of plenty of people who have chosen not to go to university and are doing quite well for themselves; on the other hand, I know of plenty of people who have chosen to go to uni, and have found themselves with no real prospects in life or in some cases completely jobless and on the dole due to the sheer number of people the government are forcing to go, rendering university education no more special than a college further education.
To a LOT of people nowadays, university is simply a way of avoiding entering the real world, and staying in a childish enviroment for as long as they can, doing courses that have little benefit or that they have little interest in making a career from, but it keeps them in the "school enviroment" for another 5 - 7 years, acting like big kids, whilst running up massive debts etc...
To attend a university and earn university qualifications should be aspirational and is marvellous if the person can go on to use that education further on in life to do well for themselves, but at the same time, let us not forget, that it is precisely the "bottom end" jobs as you refer to that keep this country going, not the brain surgeons, not the marine scientists, but the people who work at Tesco's and keep the shelves stacked, the people drive lorries and deliver our goods, the farmers etc, these jobs usually don't require any university education! If all brain surgeons were killed, we would'nt notice, if all supermarket workers were killed, we would be pretty much doomed!
I chose not to go to University, from quite a young age I was told I could go with ease, but it never interested me. When I was at Birkenhead School, being a top private school, it was almost drilled into the kids that they would go on to University from day one, ad I still never wanted to go. I decided to start my own business at the age of 16 instead, and I can't say I have regretted it. Maybe in 10 years time, ill look back and say yeah, I wasted my brains by not going on to University, but ill deal with that bridge when I come to it. And being in a "top end job" and having lots of money does not always make you happy - my dad is living proof of that!
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The wearing of school uniform is the first step of conformity.
The areas they need to conform to are :-
All pupils are equal.
Behaviour suitable for a learning environment.
Respect for staff.
Willingness to learn.
As you can imagine, if a pupil is non-conformist in any of those respects, not only is their education affected but so is the edcuation of the many other pupils who want to learn.
Very nearly all schools that have turned round and rigorously enforced a uniform policy have had a significant improvement in the results of the pupils, and despite what the newspapers say, this is of incredible benefit to the pupils not just the school.
Its all about equality and fairness to produce a learning community.
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I was non-coformist all the way through my school years, in fact it was fair to say I was a "problem child" in many respects, I never listened in class, got into trouble reguarly, rebelled against the rules etc... if this supposedly damages a childs education, how did I go on to consistently attain in excess of 90% in all my exams, even 100% on a few occasions in History exams, and even attend Birkenhead School?
My sister on the other hand, 2 years between us, found it much harder to keep up with me, and yet she was "very" conformist and quiet, almost to the point of being a swat, and whilst she worked hard and did very well, I was always the clever one in the family.
Some people dont half talk utter bollocks, you are either born clever or your not, your uniform doesnt have anything to do with it.
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Craig, im sorry, but University is not the be-all and end-all of life. The government are pushing far more people to go to University than are actually needed to go, in their aspirations to have a 50% level, which is out of order and completely pointless.
Just because someone does not attend university, does not mean they will end up with 2 or 3 kids by the age of 21 and have dead-end jobs. Id like to refer you to the current jobless figures for thos who have been university educated, they are sky-rocketing.
I know of plenty of people who have chosen not to go to university and are doing quite well for themselves; on the other hand, I know of plenty of people who have chosen to go to uni, and have found themselves with no real prospects in life or in some cases completely jobless and on the dole due to the sheer number of people the government are forcing to go, rendering university education no more special than a college further education.
To a LOT of people nowadays, university is simply a way of avoiding entering the real world, and staying in a childish enviroment for as long as they can, doing courses that have little benefit or that they have little interest in making a career from, but it keeps them in the "school enviroment" for another 5 - 7 years, acting like big kids, whilst running up massive debts etc...
To attend a university and earn university qualifications should be aspirational and is marvellous if the person can go on to use that education further on in life to do well for themselves, but at the same time, let us not forget, that it is precisely the "bottom end" jobs as you refer to that keep this country going, not the brain surgeons, not the marine scientists, but the people who work at Tesco's and keep the shelves stacked, the people drive lorries and deliver our goods, the farmers etc, these jobs usually don't require any university education! If all brain surgeons were killed, we would'nt notice, if all supermarket workers were killed, we would be pretty much doomed!
I chose not to go to University, from quite a young age I was told I could go with ease, but it never interested me. When I was at Birkenhead School, being a top private school, it was almost drilled into the kids that they would go on to University from day one, ad I still never wanted to go. I decided to start my own business at the age of 16 instead, and I can't say I have regretted it. Maybe in 10 years time, ill look back and say yeah, I wasted my brains by not going on to University, but ill deal with that bridge when I come to it. And being in a "top end job" and having lots of money does not always make you happy - my dad is living proof of that! We'll make a socialist out of you yet. well said.
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The pupose of an uniform is that we all dress the same and can be indentified easy. This is the same for schools, employments etc. But in schools teachers should lead by what they say and have some kind of uniform the same for all teachers.
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Re: Grants for school uniforms if you are on benefits. They were only available for secondary school age children as it was considered that primary school uniforms are not compulsary - despite the fact the schools flog their own badged sweatshirts and you are given a list of items and colour of uniform before your child even starts school....
They were available for secondary school age children and I believe used to be £35. Not sure whether that was per child or per family. Since I wasnt sure about the amount or even if I would be entitled I enquired with the council about a unifrom grant and was told they were abolished this year.
I have heard rumour that the council consider those on benefits are getting more than enough money to be able to pay for a school uniform. Clearly they haven't visited that godsforsaken dry-cleaneresque uniform shop in birkenhead and asked for a full list of their obscenely extortionate prices.
I would like to know the official version though and have asked. Predictably I have been waiting a while for a reply. I will let you know what pc patronising gobbledegook they come up with if and when they do respond.
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Matt im totally on your wavelength, where others see trouble I see leadership skills, people who dare to think outside the box...anyway back to the trainers.
For the record Im a difficult person, i seem to have a knack for rubbing up hitlers oops i mean authority figures the wrong way, but then i have a very hard time following any rules like a sheep , i question everything and anything and im a complete pain in the arse, so naturally my kids are like me. and im proud of it, we cant all be the same.
For the record I gained a Bsc Science degree which was a total waste of time as im happiest living a 1950s lifestyle and being a stay at home mum cooking baking cleaning sewing
my daughter has just left school with 12 GCSEs and 3 A levels , the son who prefers trainers has a brain the size of a small planet
just to inflame the issue further the day they send little MOHAMMED home for wearing his trainers is also the day i might toe the line too , so far they are too shit scared to do this in case the said parents scream Racist
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Well, lets see England go to the World cup and play in whatever clothes they want...
Ferdinand in a lime green Ben Sherman shirt, black pants and nice shoes.
Rooney in a white with blue stripe Umbro Tracksuit.
John terry in his Birthday suit.
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I do think that educational attainment and uniform wearing cannot be linked. A frame of mind can. It is easier to waken up in the morning and KNOW what you will be wearing from Mon - Fri. Imagine - no co-ordinating, no stress looking for that certain favourite jumper, which handbag/sports bag has your school items in. It should be a stress-free morning. Anyway, you only need to buy a few shirts a year and couple of pairs of trousers and the blazer can last up to 2 years. This must be cheaper than buying all the flashy designer gear some parents think the kids should wear at school. Shoes are expensive, but can be worn out of school as well. Kids are proud to dress up smart and be proud of their appearance - its just the parents who instill this emphasis of wanting them to be different and kids pick up on this and abide - it pleases their parents. Why would anyone not want to be proud of their childrens' appearance when they are at school. They soon leave: 4 years is such a short time in their lives but it is the most important nowadays.
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the thing is all this banging on about looking smart , the nike trainers DO look smart in my opinion if i want my kid to wear trainers and not boring old lace up orthopaedic granny shoes then it shouldnt matter, theyre black, they fit, theyre on his feet,they do not stand out in any way shape or form what more do they want?
to take exception to them is so petty , its the pettiness i dislike. Mind you nobody has complained at his school yet so i think we are in the clear, im a stickler by the way for enforcing the things that really matter in life but i cannot get excited about obeying dress codes , there are far more important issues which need addressing in schools such as bullying, too much homework dont even get me started on homework , they have had my kids 6 hours a day so if they cant knock it into their heads in that time theyre not doing their job properly, a further 3 hours in MY time int he evening is out of order, i dont ask them to come to my house during the day and cook dinner so i dont believe in homework i think it makes them stupid
the greatest way to get a kid interested in something is to bring it alive for them and non stop education is so dreary it makes them switch off, there is a huge difference in life between those who are sucessful and those who are academic the two dont always go hand in hand, as far as im concerned im the expert on my kids not some supply teacher following a politically correct government imposed rigid curriculum which changes like the wind depending on whom is in government
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the thing is all this banging on about looking smart , the nike trainers DO look smart in my opinion if i want my kid to wear trainers and not boring old lace up orthopaedic granny shoes then it shouldnt matter, theyre black, they fit, theyre on his feet,they do not stand out in any way shape or form what more do they want? so if some parents cant afford NIKE trainers and send their kids in proper shcool shoes, the kids in NIKE trainers may skit or bully the ones wearing granny shoes so have them all wearing the same i say
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