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#230457 - 22nd May 2008 9:43pm Legalities Of Fuel Taxation
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Im a proud member of the TransAction 2007 action group, that lobbys the government with regards fuel taxation in the interest of primarily hauliers and farmers, but also everyone in the country.

Anyway, after a recent discussion on the TransAction forums, someone bought some interesting details to light, and just wanted to gauge you're thoughts on this small matter, that may mean our prices are as much as 10p high than they legally should be:

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If a litre of fuel costs 1.07p. This is how it breaks down.

50.35p is Fuel Duty
32.60p is Product
16.07p is VAT
8.88p is Retailer/Delivery

8.8p of the VAT is chargeable on the fuel duty, which is tax. This isnt a product, it is a tax. Only 7.9 of the VAT is actually on the product.

A member on TransAction raised this point, and I believe there may be some serious grounds for concern with regards it, and that we may be getting ripped off, even robbed, by our government.

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How can it be legal to charge VAT (8.8p per litre) on fuel tax?

Isn't VAT a Value Added Tax? How does fuel tax 'add value' to fuel, meaning value to the purchaser, not the government? If it means add tax to the value of the product then it is still wrong - fuel tax is not a part of the 'product'.

By all means add VAT to the product + retail + delivery cost, but adding it to the fuel tax simply cannot be right as tax is not a 'product or service'.

I know the government do pretty much what they want to regardless of how legal/illegal it may be, however VAT rules are no imposed by the EU, so does anyone else know if this is legal? What are you're thoughts on this?

I think its a very valid point, and I think I will be looking into this further. I may even go so far as to contact Angela Eagle to see what response Labour will give to such a question.

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#230467 - 22nd May 2008 10:10pm Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: MattLFC]
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I wasnt even aware of this...good find.
It certainly doesnt sound Legal at all pc
Thats pathetic that theyre somehow getting away with swindling that little bit extra out of us decent folk...

An email will most likely not get you the results ya want....cos it never does.....but its worth a shot
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#230498 - 22nd May 2008 10:57pm Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: MGCraig]
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Yes, I find some of the information posted on TransAction startling.

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#230523 - 22nd May 2008 11:43pm Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: MattLFC]
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wow, such a simple thing that can easily go un-noticed, bet it was an accountant that sussed it, not that it bothers them cos they be vat registered anyway and get it all back, the gov is clearly over-taxing the fuel,how wrong is that to average joe (not you bmw)
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#230534 - 23rd May 2008 12:14am Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: rentaclown100]
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I wish this country would do something about it and not
just moan about it.

France Blocks the ferries if its not sunny....
We need to bring the government in to line.
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#230536 - 23rd May 2008 12:17am Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: Mark]
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tell me about it, 51.62 for 40 litres then in tesco, whats this place comin too, i'm really depressed over it.

I remember when i used to put it in and stop on the pound, now i stop on the litre, ridiculas.
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#230539 - 23rd May 2008 12:22am Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: Mark]
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Originally Posted By: Mark
We need to bring the government in to line.

You'd need a shotgun and a "cabinet" full of bullets to do that lol.

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#230541 - 23rd May 2008 12:24am Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: Sanchez]
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Originally Posted By: sanchez
tell me about it, 51.62 for 40 litres then in tesco, whats this place comin too, i'm really depressed over it.

I remember when i used to put it in and stop on the pound, now i stop on the litre, ridiculas.

Thats how I used to feel matey, changing from the pound to measuring in litres.

Gone to Biodiesel now, keep putting 20 in and getting just over 22 litres, so not so bad for me, but still wouldn't mind a few extra pence off per litre if it turns out that this VAT rule is illegal.

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#230545 - 23rd May 2008 12:27am Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: MattLFC]
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sad innit matt frown
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#230548 - 23rd May 2008 12:30am Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: Sanchez]
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Illegal.....right....so if we all send emails at the same time...innundate them with the emails.....get as many other forums to do it as well....surely someone must take heed??
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#230551 - 23rd May 2008 12:34am Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: Sanchez]
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Originally Posted By: sanchez
sad innit matt frown

Yeah, and its only going to get worse; $135 a barrel now and increasing an average of $2.00 a day, I remember the days when the markets were reeling in a state of shock because it hit $68 a barrel!!

And the government still insist they want to add the 2p tax in October, despite making millions extra from the additional VAT due to pump price increase.

And now they are also talking about stopping the lower tax level for biofuels (such as biodiesel and bio-ethanol) and maybe even scrapping the LPG tax break by 2010 (biofuels tax increases could come into force in 2009).

mad

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#230556 - 23rd May 2008 12:43am Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: MattLFC]
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nuke england with every one innit. Including me, Im going down on this ship.
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#230602 - 23rd May 2008 11:24am Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: MGCraig]
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Originally Posted By: Mi_Craig
Illegal.....right....so if we all send emails at the same time...innundate them with the emails.....get as many other forums to do it as well....surely someone must take heed??


ur right someone should take heed, but if its against their interests then as we all know, mp's will not listen....
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#230626 - 23rd May 2008 12:22pm Re: Legalities Of Fuel Taxation [Re: jonah]
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So the gov't are taxing a tax? Barstewards frown

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