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#144509 - 8th Dec 2006 11:24pm cd-r's
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does ny1 no if i can get a cd-r that has 120 min rec on it insted of the standed 80 min? an were i could get some from. tar
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#144510 - 8th Dec 2006 11:26pm Re: cd-r's [Re: krisGTi]
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Problem could be that your CD Writer may not support
that format.

What you trying to fit on a 120 or 80 ?

There is DVD discs too?
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#144511 - 8th Dec 2006 11:30pm Re: cd-r's [Re: Mark]
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av got sone songs a want 2 put on disc but they are longer then 80 min's an it just keeps sayin that the disc is to small for wat am tryin 2 put on it
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#144512 - 8th Dec 2006 11:33pm Re: cd-r's [Re: krisGTi]
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Rip them to MP3 via windows mwdia player.

Go into option >>> RIP and choose mp3
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#144514 - 8th Dec 2006 11:38pm Re: cd-r's [Re: Mark]
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thats wat a did 1st an then when a put it in me cd player n me car it wount work. thats the only reason a want 2 put it on cd so a can listen 2 to in the car
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#144517 - 8th Dec 2006 11:45pm Re: cd-r's [Re: krisGTi]
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Ok

1. Rip them to mp3
2. Use nero to burn them into a RAW format.


But only select about 8 songs, as it will just about fill the disc.

Then it sould work.

I think in nero you may have to use the TRACK option
which is in the options somewhere, i havnt used it
for so long, i just remember it being there,
in version 6.5 or somthing.

Hope that helps.
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#144520 - 8th Dec 2006 11:56pm Re: cd-r's [Re: Mark]
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#144521 - 9th Dec 2006 12:02am Re: cd-r's [Re: krisGTi]
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Is your car stereo MP3 compatable?
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#144522 - 9th Dec 2006 12:11am Re: cd-r's [Re: Dazza]
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dont think so
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#144524 - 9th Dec 2006 12:25am Re: cd-r's [Re: Dazza]
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First of all, even I dont make sense of what you are saying to do there webby? Convert them to MP3 then make them RAW format? What is RAW format? Whats the 8 tracks about lol, how longs a piece of string hehe!

CD players read CDFS and CDDA (I suppose you could add CDDAT, but although its based on CDDA, its not standard and not read by all CD players, although it is a hybrid technology). CDDA is the most common format as it complies to red book standards and 44,100Khz with 16 bit sampling at a bit rate of 1411Kbps. Ive never heard of RAW?

To answer the question Kris, no you can't get 120minute CD's, UNLESS you have a limited edition Sony DDCD player in your car and a DDCD writer. These allow upto 150 minutes of audio/1.3GB of data, but they are purple book standards and are incompatible with most red book CD players. They were made in the late 90's, but were not very common at all(although I do seem to remember Sony were trying to push it and practically every CD writer they made until about 2003 supported this format).

With regards to standard everyday CD's, you can get upto 99 minutes CD's (I have a couple here), but they require you to overburn, and anything past about 92 minutes can not usually be read by a standard CD player. Even my Technics CD player struggles past 93 minutes.

When overburning, you are writing further out on the disc then most CD players can read. You are essentially writing on the "lead out" part of the disc, and this means it can cause the disc to be completely unreadable as sometimes its cant "lead out" to finalize the CD, and without this, the TOC is corrupted.

The best advice to you is to get an MP3/WMA CD player and then just convert your CD's to MP3 using something like dbpoweramp or similar.

Its best to get a Panasonic, Pioneer or JVC as these have licenses to use the WMA format, which comes in VERY handy with downloaded music.

There are some players hitting the market which support MP3Pro, but im not sure how expensive these would be.

A standard MP3/WMA head unit would cost way less then 100 nowadays and would save you a lot of hassle and you can throw upto 10 cd's on a single disc. Also, they cope with overburnt CD's better as they read CDFS as opposed to CDDA, and this requires less lead out anyway.

So to round it up, no you can't get 120 minute CD's, 99 minute are kinda hit and miss, and my advice would be to get a MP3/WMA head unit when you can afford one. Until then, its far simpler to just use the CD's as they are hehe.

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#144525 - 9th Dec 2006 12:40am Re: cd-r's [Re: MattLFC]
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CD players read CDFS and CDDA. CDDA

Is what Nero Calls RAW

If you copy a Orignal CD via Nero you use the RAW
format then Old Hifi's etc will play them.

example

mp3 song = 3mb
RAW = 30mb

(Typically matty not always)

So selecting about 8 songs will keep him well under the 700mb max.

You could go about 12 but it all depends upon the length of
the song, so as a giude to save NERO saying at the very
end !!! NOT ENOUGH SPACE

Use my guide.

That's the english version for you kris smile

It is a pain, but can be done, as i used to do it
when mp3 players werent availble in the car smile
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#144526 - 9th Dec 2006 12:49am Re: cd-r's [Re: Mark]
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Ive just fired up Nero, and in standard mode, it makes no mention of "RAW". This is in standard mode, not Express. Just a case of select "audio cd", then drag and drop MP3 files, and then Nero encodes to CDDA on the fly, again without mention of RAW (it also doesnt mention CDDA, but this is what it will be encoding to either way, well its actually encoding to CDDAT, but this doesnt make a difference as its hybrid).

CDFS and CDDA are "not" the same format, so RAW couldnt account for both. CDDA/CDDAT is red book "only", whereas CDFS complies with red book, white book, yellow book, Mt Reiner and 9660 and maybe a few propiertary formats as well??

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#144527 - 9th Dec 2006 1:53am Re: cd-r's [Re: MattLFC]
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Originally Posted By: webby
i havnt used it
for so long


RAW was a term used to burn to Audio CD's
As in the Raw data.

Do a google search you will find refrence to
Nero and RAW for Audio CD's.

Yes modern Nero 5.5+ offers an easier solution,
but i havent needed to do it that way for years.

1. Use nero in Audio Mode
2. Drag your files over.
3. Keep an eye on how much space is being used.
4. Burn.
5. play them in your car. (no need for a new head unit).

Hope that helps you chris happy
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#144528 - 9th Dec 2006 2:02am Re: cd-r's [Re: Mark]
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I didnt say he "needed" a new head unit... I suggested to think about getting a new (or indeed second hand) head unit which supports MP3/WMA, as he quite clearly wanted to have 120 minutes of music on a single disc, something which can't be done using standard CD's, but which can quite easily using MP3 cd's.

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#144549 - 9th Dec 2006 5:03pm Re: cd-r's [Re: MattLFC]
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I sent you a PM last night kris saying basically what matty said in his first post (only a simpler version lol geeky matty learn )

I remember NERO when you had to write it that data as RAW. Nero has changed a lot since then and is a lot easier to use.
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