WikiWirral its great, register, enjoy and welcome.
Forum Stats
12252 Members
65 Forums
72899 Topics
982722 Posts
49 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
88 registered (alan128, 16 invisible), 1907 Guests and 306 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Boom : New Ferry Explosion 2243
Incident at Westminster 1646
Offset number plates 531
Huge Gas Explosion in New Ferry Sat 25/03/17 349
What does this all mean? 263
Death at Leasowe Train Station 256
Planet Earth Tonight 254
black contiboard locally? 250
Has Talktalk been hacked yet again? 226
Reclaimed floorboards needed. 187
New General Forums
hi
by norma67
26th Mar 2017 7:42pm
Clocks go Forward
by Mark
25th Mar 2017 3:01pm
Mannequin Challenge AKA MRI Scan
by fish5133
24th Mar 2017 11:20am
Surely the most honest add.....
by buddy
20th Mar 2017 5:43pm
New Wirral History
William Bernard's building, Birkenhead
by yoller
20th Mar 2017 4:27pm
1882 Plan of the borough of Birkenhead and Wards
by Dave_Wood
19th Mar 2017 11:57am
New Brighton Coop
by Mike_White
9th Mar 2017 12:48pm
Tranmere High School for Girls 1882 Chesnut Grove
by sarah708
6th Mar 2017 8:23pm
Whetstone Lane, Birkenhead
by MoretonExpat
6th Mar 2017 8:04am
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Birkenhead Transport Museum 24th Feb 2017
fireworks on the Mersey last night
Topic Replies
Prescriptions
by diggingdeeper
Today at 01:58 PM
Death at Leasowe Train Station
by fish5133
Yesterday at 11:12 PM
'March' Photo Competition.
by granny
Yesterday at 11:02 PM
Boom : New Ferry Explosion
by fish5133
Yesterday at 10:01 PM
What song are you listening to?
by Vanmanone
Yesterday at 03:50 PM
Huge Gas Explosion in New Ferry Sat 25/03/17
by venice
Yesterday at 01:18 PM
Incident at Westminster
by casper
Yesterday at 09:48 AM
Snowhite's Bird Rescue
by diggingdeeper
Yesterday at 12:34 AM
33 lions
by granny
Yesterday at 12:03 AM
March
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Planet Earth Tonight
by Excoriator
26th Mar 2017 10:31am
Lee and Cragg Quarries - Bacup
by Mark
23rd Mar 2017 7:43am
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#129071 - 8th Feb 2005 12:07pm twin webbers?
Cali_16v Offline
Wiki Guide

Registered: 17th May 2004
Posts: 6261
Loc: Birkenhead
what are they and are they the same as throtle boddies??

Sorry to be thick
_________________________



Top
AutoWirral : Advertising
Click me for more Information......

* * * Emelec Electrical Services * * *
Now Advertise with WikiWirral.
WikiWirral stats 35,000 Page Views a Day +500 Search Engines.. Click Me
#129072 - 8th Feb 2005 12:14pm Re: twin webbers?
Mark Online   Reading


Wiki Master

Registered: 9th Nov 2003
Posts: 21029
Loc: Wirral
I dont know the ins and outs but i do know
it has nothing to do with

Ducks Feet ! learn
_________________________
My Avatar images are all from the Wirral Gallery.Click Me
Wow Wirral History is coming along Great! Wirral History

we get +200 new members a month now smile

Top
#129073 - 8th Feb 2005 12:14pm Re: twin webbers?
Phil_G Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 25th Jul 2004
Posts: 106
Loc: The Garage - Rebuilding
hiya,

twin webers as youare referring to are a Carburettor and not injection. They work great and give good power gains on an older car but on newer cars with Tighter emissions controls they arent a great solution. The carburettor uses a needle (jet) to measure out the fuel whereas the throttle bodies (which look similar save for a "plug" poking out of them) use a computer controlled injector.

Downsides are they arent very economical, can be awkward to adjust and get running spot on.

hope this helps

Phil
_________________________

View my Car topic here: Thread here! Click me now!
Where the Italian Twins come out to play wink

Top
#129074 - 8th Feb 2005 12:14pm Re: twin webbers?
StuyMac Offline

Wiki Master

Registered: 24th Nov 2003
Posts: 12002
Loc: Wirralshire
Basically, carbs rely on suction and vacume from the engine to supply the air / fuel mix via jets. TB's use injectors and are ECU controlled.

Carbs

Basically there is a choice of makes here, commonly used are Weber and Dellorto. The problem you will have with other makes is finding a manifold to fit the carbs to your engine. Both these makes have readily available manifolds. The carb works by using jets to supply the fuel. The fuel flow delivered through these jets is basically determined by suction from the vacuum in the cylinders (Venturi effect). Different size jets will allow different amount of fuel supply. The Weber DCOE40/45 kits can be supplied with the correct jetting for a standard or modified engine for your car and the linkages to connect them up. Webcon (Weber) have released a series of kits for carb conversions on various cars. The cost is around 1000 including all you need which is both carbs, manifold, gaskets, fasteners, sensors, linkages and the alpha 3d programmable 3d ignition system. (more on that later)

Throttle bodies

A lot of people get confused and say throttle bodies when they mean carbs and vice versa and often think that they are the same thing. Essentially they are the same thing and do the same job but the main difference with throttle bodies is that they use injectors instead of jets to control the fuel delivery. This means that you can electronically control and program the fuel delivery from an ECU and therefore have more control. They are more expensive though and ultimately don't deliver a great deal more power than carbs but they do offer refinements An injected car and cold starting can be a bit spluttery with carbs whereas even a cammed up engine will start perfectly from cold on throttle bodies and idle smoothly as low down as 600 rpm in many cases. The throttle bodies do provide more torque lower down generally and ultimately a better spread of power. The Weber Alpha throttle body kit consists of all the same components as the above carb kit but with the throttle bodies instead of carbs, the kit is around 2000. The 3d ignition system allows programming of the ignition which bypasses the normal distributor and is therefore customisable.
_________________________


What If There Were No Hypothetical Questions?

Top
#129075 - 8th Feb 2005 1:17pm Re: twin webbers?
Tony MK2 Offline
Forum Master

Registered: 2nd Dec 2003
Posts: 2943
Loc: Wirral
well well you do learn somethink new every day happy

Top
#129076 - 8th Feb 2005 8:32pm Re: twin webbers?
Scooby Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 9th Nov 2003
Posts: 5327
Loc: Birkenhead, Wirral.
Twin Webber D.C.O.E. Carb's





Throttle Bodies








happy

Top
#129077 - 8th Feb 2005 8:53pm Re: twin webbers?
Dazza Offline
Forum Master

Registered: 10th Nov 2003
Posts: 2899
Loc: Birkenhead
Second picture down - Is that a CVH manifold flange?

Also word is that you (Scooby) have 'enjoyd' Webbers on a few cars in the past - Just how good are they and how they sound?
laugh
_________________________
My website: www.TeamFord.co.uk

Top
#129078 - 8th Feb 2005 8:59pm Re: twin webbers?
scoop Offline
Wiki Addict

Registered: 18th Nov 2004
Posts: 7238
Loc: Leuchars
Does look very for like matey.Kinda familiar to mine. The 1.6Si fezzer engine also has the exact same top end as my 1.4 They look identical but are obviously hiding 2 different engines
_________________________

Top
#129079 - 8th Feb 2005 9:24pm Re: twin webbers?
Scooby Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 9th Nov 2003
Posts: 5327
Loc: Birkenhead, Wirral.
Twin Choke Webber DCOE's are the Dogz Gonards mate, after fitting mine many moons ago i took it for a spin and i was grinning like a cheshire cat......

The performance increase was awesome but it dosnt end there.......

Induction noise in immence, you floor the throttle and you get this almighty roar from the engine and you simply smile at the noise, kinda funny driving everywhere with this painted on smile, lol.....

I would strongly recommend them to anyone looking for more performance.

There not that fuel hungry if you drive normally, but its hard not to floor the throttle constantly just to make you smile and hear the induction roar smack

Top
#129080 - 8th Feb 2005 10:39pm Re: twin webbers?
Phil_G Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 25th Jul 2004
Posts: 106
Loc: The Garage - Rebuilding
hiya

anyone want to hear webers then i should be out and about soon in the nova - its passed its mot today laugh

Phil
_________________________

View my Car topic here: Thread here! Click me now!
Where the Italian Twins come out to play wink

Top
#129081 - 25th Aug 2005 3:38pm Re: twin webbers?
Anonymous
Unregistered


I'm putting 4 down draught (IDA's) on a mid engine'd V8 kitcar i'm building, seen it done before and it goes like a corpo hooker.
Will leave a smile on your face and stain in your boxers.

Top

Moderator:  StuyMac 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Death at Leasowe Train Station
by Mark
10:02 PM
KEYS found
by rocks
26th Mar 2017 11:48pm
hi
by norma67
26th Mar 2017 7:42pm
Huge Gas Explosion in New Ferry Sat 25/03/17
by Dogwalker59
26th Mar 2017 10:36am
Snowhite's Bird Rescue
by diggingdeeper
26th Mar 2017 2:44am
For Sale & Free
boxed 10 inch tablet for sale
by stumpyduck
26th Mar 2017 7:12pm
various fly reels and boxes of fly's
by brady
25th Mar 2017 10:48am
Challenge extreme angle grinder used once
by brady
25th Mar 2017 10:43am
White Hyundai I30, 2011 plate For sale, 1.4 petrol
by goodoldphil
24th Mar 2017 6:24pm
I am having a clear out!
by TheComputerLab
24th Mar 2017 4:01pm
Featured Member
Registered: 14th Aug 2015
Posts: 86
Newest Members
Noize, cartoonhead, shelleyc1990, Chippy, Onetoughcookie
12252 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Planet Earth Tonight
by granny
25th Mar 2017 11:50am
Reclaimed floorboards needed.
by Gold_Moon
25th Mar 2017 10:45am
Has Talktalk been hacked yet again?
by Habdab
24th Mar 2017 10:25am
What does this all mean?
by venice
22nd Mar 2017 12:20pm
black contiboard locally?
by fish5133
21st Mar 2017 9:30pm
News : New Topics
Death at Leasowe Train Station
by Mark
10:02 PM
KEYS found
by rocks
26th Mar 2017 11:48pm
Another Terrorist Attack ? -London Islington
by fish5133
26th Mar 2017 3:03pm
Huge Gas Explosion in New Ferry Sat 25/03/17
by Dogwalker59
26th Mar 2017 10:36am
Boom : New Ferry Explosion
by diggingdeeper
25th Mar 2017 9:39pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Snowhite's Bird Rescue
by diggingdeeper
26th Mar 2017 2:44am
Offset number plates
by venice
23rd Mar 2017 1:24am
File too large
by Dilly
20th Mar 2017 10:41am
ford focus 1.6 t reg rattling
by Little_B
19th Mar 2017 11:02pm
Alloys refurb and colour change. The Wheel Deal.
by TheComputerLab
18th Mar 2017 9:17am
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
Death at Leasowe Train Station 256
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Tue 6:53am
Sunset Tue 7:41pm
Local Time Tue 3:02pm
WikiWirral Can . . . .
Advertising Click me
To Advertise with
Wikiwirral Click Me