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Re: West Wallasey van- More carparks.. Petition [Re: mikeeb] #1083058
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Originally Posted by mikeeb
How is this a brownfield site?
As far as I'm aware, there has been no building on this site.


In my simplistic world:- when it was football pitches It was not greenfield, domestic, agricultural or public, it was developed for commercial use which now it is disused makes it brownfield? Basically it is land that has been developed in the past for non-agricultural use.

There are a number of definitions of brownfield. Some merely state land that has previously been developed, some add that a structure has to have been present, some state that there has to be a risk of contamination being present.

I would argue that a football field is a structure as it is recognisable, created by man to a design, not a natural feature and materials are used to construct it, especially when you consider drainage systems etc.

I would also argue that being immediately next to an old rubbish tip it would be reasonable to assume there is a risk of contamination being present, not to mention the old pesticides and other chemicals that may have been used over the 100 years (or whatever) it was allotment gardens dating back before 1850 when elf and safe-tea and identification of contaminants wasn't an issue. There is also a risk that asbestos sheds may have been used on the allotments. I certainly wouldn't certify it as contamination free without inspection and testing with those two histories.


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I still wouldn't class it as brownfield though. You get football fields in parks, I don't think that makes that part of the park brownfield? And as far as I know, allotments don't make it brownfield either.

Regarding other sites available, there are huge swathes of land on the old Bidston Dock and Wallasey Bridge Road. There is also that huge dump on Cleveland Street. However, I don't know if they are available.

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Bidston Dock area is owned by Peel Holdings (or whatever today's name is), they will not sell and the outline usage of that land has already been designated, some clearance work took place not long ago.

The dump on the corner of Cavendish Street and Cleveland Street is in the middle of legal controversy, unless the buyer would be willing to take on blanket legal liability I can't see it going anywhere. Though I'm sure the Council would be willing to oil the works for that plot of land as currently it is a thorn in their side. Although the site does meet the correct planning designation, it is prime industrial land being approved for B2 and B8 categories and will be priced appropriately, it was bought W & J Kern Properties around three years ago.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
it was bought W & J Kern Properties around three years ago.


I should correct that, W & J Kern Properties took possession three years ago, they already owned it for a number of years before (at least prior to 2008) and it was leased to the previous company Eco Recycling (NW) Ltd


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Well after a second meeting and all due consideration, the land will not be sold to West Wallasey, or should I say gifted at that price?

The use of the fields as a football and cricket pitch were for the sole use of Mosslands school via WBC so not a designated public playing field.

Thanks to all those that signed the petition, and those that also used a dedicated site to highlight the possible Sale and misuse of this land.

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The next move could be West Wallasey putting in outline planning permission for the current rugby and football club's pitches with a view of using that land for their storage and re-develop the Mosslands pitches for the rugby and football clubs. That would be much harder to prevent happening and is probably cheaper for them in the long term.

Or perhaps they will move away from the Wirral taking jobs with them.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
The next move could be West Wallasey putting in outline planning permission for the current rugby and football club's pitches with a view of using that land for their storage and re-develop the Mosslands pitches for the rugby and football clubs. That would be much harder to prevent happening and is probably cheaper for them in the long term.

Or perhaps they will move away from the Wirral taking jobs with them.


Can't see that happening DD, they already monopolise the majority of the Cross Lane site, I believe all the Jobs that they promised would have be short term, preparing the parking site, most of the jobs are administration on that site, the delivery drivers unload the cars and park them up, the office on Leasowe Road deals with the Hire part of the business, so not a lot of scope for creating jobs.

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Originally Posted by casper
Well after a second meeting and all due consideration, the land will not be sold to West Wallasey, or should I say gifted at that price?

The use of the fields as a football and cricket pitch were for the sole use of Mosslands school via WBC so not a designated public playing field.

Thanks to all those that signed the petition, and those that also used a dedicated site to highlight the possible sale and misuse of this land.


Good ! happy

Why does it have to be in Wallasey anyway ? Plenty of brown sites in other areas of Wirral, as there's a West Wallasey hire place at Sparks Lane, Pensby.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
The next move could be West Wallasey putting in outline planning permission for the current rugby and football club's pitches with a view of using that land for their storage and re-develop the Mosslands pitches for the rugby and football clubs. That would be much harder to prevent happening and is probably cheaper for them in the long term.

Or perhaps they will move away from the Wirral taking jobs with them.


Can't see that happening DD, they already monopolise the majority of the Cross Lane site, I believe all the Jobs that they promised would have be short term, preparing the parking site, most of the jobs are administration on that site, the delivery drivers unload the cars and park them up, the office on Leasowe Road deals with the Hire part of the business, so not a lot of scope for creating jobs.


The more vans they have, the more drivers they need, the more valets they need, the more repairs and servicing they need. There's a bit more to it than shiny-rsez shuffling papers and sharpening quills, there's a whole infra-structure behind it.

Originally Posted by granny
Why does it have to be in Wallasey anyway ? Plenty of brown sites in other areas of Wirral, as there's a West Wallasey hire place at Sparks Lane, Pensby.


As I asked earlier, where are these available brown sites, anything that is owned by Peel Holdings isn't up for grabs. Any land that can be developed for industry or housing is going to be priced as such but the biggest problem is the price of develop-able land is going up, people won't sell or long-term lease their investment. There's worse things to live next to than rental storage, you just have to put up with the sound of catalytic converts getting sawn off at night.

The old John Howarth site at Sparks lane, that's got very little storage, its basically a pick-up and drop-off site with a workshop, the vans are shuffled in and out. There is a very small plot of land beside it but I think I remember there's some sort of planning aggro/embargo.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
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The next move could be West Wallasey putting in outline planning permission for the current rugby and football club's pitches with a view of using that land for their storage and re-develop the Mosslands pitches for the rugby and football clubs. That would be much harder to prevent happening and is probably cheaper for them in the long term.

Or perhaps they will move away from the Wirral taking jobs with them.


Can't see that happening DD, they already monopolise the majority of the Cross Lane site, I believe all the Jobs that they promised would have be short term, preparing the parking site, most of the jobs are administration on that site, the delivery drivers unload the cars and park them up, the office on Leasowe Road deals with the Hire part of the business, so not a lot of scope for creating jobs.


The more vans they have, the more drivers they need, the more valets they need, the more repairs and servicing they need. There's a bit more to it than shiny-rsez shuffling papers and sharpening quills, there's a whole infra-structure behind it.

Originally Posted by granny
Why does it have to be in Wallasey anyway ? Plenty of brown sites in other areas of Wirral, as there's a West Wallasey hire place at Sparks Lane, Pensby.


As I asked earlier, where are these available brown sites, anything that is owned by Peel Holdings isn't up for grabs. Any land that can be developed for industry or housing is going to be priced as such but the biggest problem is the price of develop-able land is going up, people won't sell or long-term lease their investment. There's worse things to live next to than rental storage, you just have to put up with the sound of catalytic converts getting sawn off at night.

The old John Howarth site at Sparks lane, that's got very little storage, its basically a pick-up and drop-off site with a workshop, the vans are shuffled in and out. There is a very small plot of land beside it but I think I remember there's some sort of planning aggro/embargo.


They lease the vans or hire them out, so they don't require driver's for every van, as far as I can gather it was just going to be a giant storage facility, vans dropped off or picked up by car transporter,easily organised by two people.

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I'd love to see a car transporter move vans.

West Wallasey have over 300 staff, It works out at very roughly 50 vehicles per member of staff.


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[quote=diggingdeeper]I'd love to see a car transporter move vans.

West Wallasey have over 30years
0 staff, It works out at very roughly 50 vehicles per member of staff.

I am talking the small commercial type vans, they appear to be the majority type of vehicle they have stored at the moment, the larger type vans are the ones in daily use as hire vehicles along with a small fleet of cars, from what I can gather vehicles, will be delivered and picked up to take to other locations, skin to a vehicle staging area.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
I'd love to see a car transporter move vans.

You see them on the motorway many times.

Loads more images here.
http://www.murrayhogg.co.uk/index.php/loading-a-vehicle

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