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Hi All,

The fields at the back of the Mosslands school have been taken over by nature over the past 30 years. When i was a wee nipper these fields where sports fields for the school. (Its Rumored) A housing development on cross lane in the 90's caused problems with the water table and now once a year the field turns in to a bit of a marshland in places.It is a wonderful field full of life and nature. The noise of the creatures and birds is glorious.

However... the owner of West Wallasey van hire wants to pour concrete over it all and create a road from the main office to the fields so that they can store more commercial vehicles. The blue in the photo is his current holdings and the red are his proposed. The area has been designated as an area of green space but for some reason the council are still trying to sell this land, it isn't theirs to sell it is ours. Please sign the petition to stop this from happening.

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Secondly, we must keep fighting to keep Wirrals green spaces.
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Good grief, haven't they got enough vans parked around the place already? I bet the local residents would rather look out on what they have now, than on a blinding white vista of vans. This pressure on land is a constant problem and will only get worse - one person's underused waste ground is another person's wildlife haven.

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They just need to plant some trees instead of diesel vans!

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The laughable part is one part of the council is meeting to designate the area as a green space and another faction are negotiating a sell off to West Wallasey, not much detail as of yet, we have lots of wildlife on there to protect, please sign.

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How many vans do they need? They already have too many in their current yard.
If it is just for storage, surely they could find a more suitable place.

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Apparently West Wallasey have said they will provide an all weather pitch on Wallacre field as a sweetener, the council have just awarded £375,000 council tax money toward an all weather pitch for Tranmere Rovers, yet our services were threatened for lack of funding and a 5% council tax rise, something not quite right.

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Can I just comment - they are a very successful local business and employ many locals - so an expansion could be 'good' news on that front.

Despite being former playing fields - not in Green Belt and would be designated Brownfield - not good, but this is the battle

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To all intents and purposes it would be used for storing vehicles, they WW already have three sites adjacent I doubt they will provide 300 more jobs to run an extra parking facility, the jobs they are talking about would be short term construction jobs, It has not been designated as anything yet to my knowledge, my point is if they were to lease / sell it to WW and allegedly get an all weather playing field paid for and maintained by WW why have they bunged Tranmere Rovers £375,000 for another pitch close by?

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Wirral Council reject the sale of Mosslands School playing field to West Wallasey van hire.

The meeting of Wirral Council’s Economy and Regeneration Committee unanimously rejected the proposal to sell the land for £150,000, amid concerns over flooding and building on green space.

The land had been partly used by The Mosslands School as its playing fields, but has not been used in this way for decades as it suffers from flooding.

This is very good news.
https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/...ect-sale-mosslands-school-playing-field/

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We need as much business as we can get hold off in Wirral, the new Council funding that is being brought in is going to be more dependent on Business Rates, we have a lack of businesses/jobs compared to our population. Being the suburbs/commuter-belt for Liverpool is a financial model that will not be sustainable.

Currently the Council keep half the business rates and the other half goes to the Government, where theoretically some of it is divided up to pass back as funding and grants to Councils and Government projects to even up the differences between industrialised and non-industrialised areas. The new model is that the Council keep 100% of its own business rates and receive less funding from the common purse. Councils with large amounts of business rates are going to do very well, Councils like Wirral that have disproportionately small amounts of business rates are going to have massive cuts in funding.

We have the adjacent green spaces at Cross Lane, Bidston Moss and Pride Park which are grossly underutilised and vastly larger than this plot of land that is currently nothing but waste. We can't keep returning land to nature unless we are prepared to drastically reduce the size of the population and/or start building more on green belt.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
We need as much business as we can get hold off in Wirral, the new Council funding that is being brought in is going to be more dependent on Business Rates, we have a lack of businesses/jobs compared to our population. Being the suburbs/commuter-belt for Liverpool is a financial model that will not be sustainable.

Currently the Council keep half the business rates and the other half goes to the Government, where theoretically some of it is divided up to pass back as funding and grants to Councils and Government projects to even up the differences between industrialised and non-industrialised areas. The new model is that the Council keep 100% of its own business rates and receive less funding from the common purse. Councils with large amounts of business rates are going to do very well, Councils like Wirral that have disproportionately small amounts of business rates are going to have massive cuts in funding.

We have the adjacent green spaces at Cross Lane, Bidston Moss and Pride Park which are grossly underutilised and vastly larger than this plot of land that is currently nothing but waste. We can't keep returning land to nature unless we are prepared to drastically reduce the size of the population and/or start building more on green belt.



We are at this moment in time, entering a critical period where we should in every case possible, be working with nature rather than against it. The difference in the wildlife these days is greatly noticeable including the little creatures that hide in the undergrowth in the day and play at night. How often does one see a moth fluttering against a window ? They used to be all over the place at one time. Each creature has a vital roll to play in sustaining the eco system. Nextdoor neigbours found a load of dead bumble bees in their garden this year. Without them.... we are all doomed. Some nest in the ground (along with many other creatures) which is why in the spring, they appear on the grass.


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This field floods and throwing a load of tarmac over it will compound the issue even more.
Plus there is plenty of brownfield sites that are not being used.

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Originally Posted by granny
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We need as much business as we can get hold off in Wirral, the new Council funding that is being brought in is going to be more dependent on Business Rates, we have a lack of businesses/jobs compared to our population. Being the suburbs/commuter-belt for Liverpool is a financial model that will not be sustainable.

Currently the Council keep half the business rates and the other half goes to the Government, where theoretically some of it is divided up to pass back as funding and grants to Councils and Government projects to even up the differences between industrialised and non-industrialised areas. The new model is that the Council keep 100% of its own business rates and receive less funding from the common purse. Councils with large amounts of business rates are going to do very well, Councils like Wirral that have disproportionately small amounts of business rates are going to have massive cuts in funding.

We have the adjacent green spaces at Cross Lane, Bidston Moss and Pride Park which are grossly underutilised and vastly larger than this plot of land that is currently nothing but waste. We can't keep returning land to nature unless we are prepared to drastically reduce the size of the population and/or start building more on green belt.



We are at this moment in time, entering a critical period where we should in every case possible, be working with nature rather than against it. The difference in the wildlife these days is greatly noticeable including the little creatures that hide in the undergrowth in the day and play at night. How often does one see a moth fluttering against a window ? They used to be all over the place at one time. Each creature has a vital roll to play in sustaining the eco system. Nextdoor neigbours found a load of dead bumble bees in their garden this year. Without them.... we are all doomed. Some nest in the ground (along with many other creatures) which is why in the spring, they appear on the grass.


Well said granny, we live adjacent to this site and it abounds with wildlife, I take the grand dog around for a walk now and again, herons, geese, ducks, kestral plus all the tiny critters that we don't see.

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This field floods and throwing a load of tarmac over it will compound the issue even more.
Plus there is plenty of brownfield sites that are not being used.


This is a brownfield site, it hasn't been an agricultural site for some time now, traditionally it has been allotments since before 1850, the existing small plot of allotments will remain.

As far as the car park drainage goes, the drainage will be designed and has to pass planning permission, building regs, environmental regs etc, they are not allowed to let it wash off. Having a closed landfill next to it will further tighten the drainage requirements. As part of this of this project, the existing drainage of the rugby and football fields will be upgraded improving the quality of their pitches.

The existing access paths on this land (one to the sports grounds and one to the Cross Lane green area), these will be maintained, noting that only one of them is currently a right of way, that to the sports ground from Mosslands Drive.

Name another site that can be used by Wallasey Van Hire, its a very broad statement saying that other brownfield sites are available - just because something exists does not mean it is available. This will be an extension to their existing main site.

You can't just carry on saying no to every change, that is how a stalemate happens and genuine green belt ends up as being depleted.

I don't see many people moving into the smallest footprint property they can to preserve nature, one rule for them and another rule for others.

I guess one of the alternatives is a multi-story car park on their existing land but that would utilise large amounts of concrete which is one of the most (probably the most) destructive building materials we produce in bulk.


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How is this a brownfield site?
As far as I'm aware, there has been no building on this site.

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