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Ban on sales of petrol and diesel cars and vans. #1080679
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Boris Johnson to ban sales of petrol and diesel cars and vans by 2030.
https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/18879649.boris-johnson-ban-sales-petrol-diesel-cars-vans-2030/

Interestingly, this will cause a loss of up to £40 billion of tax revenue from fuel duty and vehicle excise duty.
To cover this shortfall they are discussing a road pricing system but nothing has been decided yet.

"In October 2019, the cross-party House of Commons Transport Select Committee pledged that it would start “a national debate” over the introduction of potential pay-per-mile road pricing schemes. A Labour government first considered road pricing 13 years ago, but plans were dropped over fears of a public backlash."
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...ders-road-pricing-cover-ev-tax-shortfall

One thing for sure, the price and taxing of petrol and diesel will skyrocket for the remaining few that still have a roadworthy vehicle.

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Re: Ban on sales of petrol and diesel cars and vans. [Re: mikeeb] #1080682
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Difficult to argue against pay-per-mile, its a logical method. It is much more preferable than toll roads.


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If they are going to do it, they should do that now, not later, and scrap the vehicle tax.
Regarding privacy, there will be a lot against the tracking of your travels though.
I was thinking maybe they could just check your mileage when your car gets MOT'd but there will be a lot of clocking going on then. Cannot see an easy way out of this that pleases everyone.

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That is the problem, the technology isn’t present.

There is no legal requirement to have a working odometer. Some of my cars have had the same mileage on them every year on the mot certificate.


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That is the problem, the technology isn’t present.

There is no legal requirement to have a working odometer. Some of my cars have had the same mileage on them every year on the mot certificate.


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A good time to set up an electric car repair garage.

VW pulls plug on helping with £2,500 repair bill
Our £40,000 Passat GTE completely died just outside its three-year warranty
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/09/vw-repair-bill-passat-gte-warranty

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I don't think we are quite there yet regarding electric cars. Way too much can go wrong with them, and when they do, they are expensive to fix. In 10 years time they should be much better.
Agreed on the setting up of an electric car garage as they will be in high demand soon.

I'm sticking with petrol and diesel for now.

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Imagine it.

It's pouring down with rain, cold and windy and dark. In your electric car is a weeks shopping and two bickering kids.

Like two thirds of Brits, you cannot charge at home because your house has no drive or garage and you park on the street. You have to charge overnight because you have a long journey to make in teh morning.

Outside your house is a public charging point, but there is a car using it.

What are you going to do now?

I really think the government has failed to grasp what a pain in the arse battery cars are.

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are the way to go, but joined-up thinking is required to see that, and there is no evidence of that from this government whatsoever.

This was clearly obvious before the last election and I blame the clowns who voted them in for the mess we're in now, and the bulk of the 70,000 deaths we've seen as a result of their cluelessness over handling Covid-19.

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Like with many innovations, the owners are the long term test guinea pigs.

It was the same when diesels were being pushed as the best thing to own because they were no longer smoky and noisy, and the DPF filter would capture any harmful emissions, along with the incentive of £20 (now £35) or even zero road tax.

But a few years of local driving and the EGR valves, DPF filters and engines are completely sooted up - all conveniently out of warranty and responsibility of the manufacturers and dealers.

Back to electric cars - if you think pavement parking is a problem now, then wait until electric cables are strung out of people's houses onto the street. There's an EV owner in Lytham who thinks he owns the pavement and blocks it with his car so he can charge his car. Hope he wasn't late for work the time I unplugged it!

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I cant see it working out. So all cars, antique and modern today, will not be allowed on the roads? Electric cars are nowhere near as efficient as they need to be, and the battery costs more than the car it is installed in. Last year, a police car in San Francisco, all of which had been converted to electric, was chasing a criminal, and had to stop, the battery went dead. And what about long distance driving?

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Veh tax is allegedly to keep the roads in good repair, - sorry for pause, was laughing so hard.

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and you have had the Model T ford since 1920 !!!

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Originally Posted by red_devil
I cant see it working out. So all cars, antique and modern today, will not be allowed on the roads?

It doesn't state that they will not be allowed. You can buy a brand new car in 2029 so they will not ban you from using it.
The downside will be the price of petrol eventually going through the roof.

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Originally Posted by Excoriator

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are the way to go, but joined-up thinking is required to see that, and there is no evidence of that from this government whatsoever.


Originally Posted by mikeeb
The downside will be the price of petrol eventually going through the roof.


Whilst I was a great fan of Hydrogen at one time, things have moved on, clean carbon-neutral syn-fuels are well on their way and may save the internal combustion engine.


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Veh tax is allegedly to keep the roads in good repair, - sorry for pause, was laughing so hard.


That hasn't been the case since 1937 when 'Road Tax' was abolished.

It is now simply a tax on your car, and nothing whatever to do with roads. Get used to it.

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