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Re: Coronavirus [Re: granny] #1079823
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Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
[quote=granny]Certain routines of exercise involves two people. Giving clear guidelines, is not wrong !


But it is contradictory, you can't be "alone" at the same time as being with others.

Either of the following two sentences make sense ..

"You can now exercise alone or with up to 5 other people from outside your household"

"You can now exercise with up to 5 other people from outside your household"

But the original sentence is nonsense.

"You can now exercise alone, with up to 5 other people from outside your household".

Anyway, I don't think any of these apply to us now, the rules have changed.


Clearly, the wording isn't great if taken as a personal instruction , but it is referring to outdoor sports and recreation.
not you or I who might like to practice a bit of pole vaulting together.

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Italy's schools on strike due to lack of safety measures. So are the pupils.

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Oooops ! New deaths in USA in last 24 hours. 666


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Oooops ! New deaths in USA in last 24 hours. 666 [/quote]

I think someone's trying to tell them something.

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I thought so, Casper but then the figure went up to just under 1,000.

However, good things come out of bad situations, and Netherlands are bringing forward their phase out of fur farms from Jan 20204 to March 2021. Due to Covid being found in a third of the countries 120 plus fur farms !

Just off for a pole vault, outside , on my own . Catch you later.


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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1079838
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Does anyone know any of the restrictions on travel to Saudi Arabia ?

Just wondering if there are any. Plenty of flights being advertised but from 4th October it is of course the start of Umra pilgimages, and this year a limited number of 6000 Saudi people can take part each day. Pilgrims from countries deemed safe will be permitted from 1 November, when the daily capacity will rise to 20,000.

How many people that would amount to in accommodation and other places of interest, is hardly possible to guess.

Official figures of deaths in Saudi Arabia seem to be low in comparison with 4,500, but people travelling from all over the world must be a major issue.

That is one thing that will keep this virus going around and around and it's not acceptible.

If travel to such is allowed, then basically, we should be allowed to have in this country Church services and Weddings without the restrictions imposed.Otherwise it's contradictory allowing people to fly out to engage in such pilgrimages and restrictions not imposed through fear of being seen as opposed to the ethnic minorities and their customs.

Saying 14 days self isolation on return means nothing when dealing with large family . The virus could extend above and beyond, to children, schools, and work places in the communtities that already have higher rates of infection.


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Entry to Saudi Arabia on a tourist visa from significantly affected countries has been temporarily suspended.

Entry to Saudi Arabia for the purpose of Umrah has also been temporarily suspended.

From the Saudi website

Dear SAUDIA Guest,

If you are flying to The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, you are kindly requested by health authorities in Saudi Arabia to follow health guidance below to keep you protected when you travel with SAUDIA.

1. GCC citizens guests and Holders of valid visa (exit/entry, business, residence {Iqamah}, and visit) allowed to travel from and into The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
2. Travelling with ID has been temporarily suspended for GCC citizens.
3. All arriving guests (except Saudi citizens) and for all ages, must provide negative PCR test certificate issued from a verified laboratory within 48 hours from the time the test is undertaken until the time on which the passenger is arriving in the Kingdom. Guests who did not provide the certificate will be denied from boarding the airplane.
4. Above points not applied on countries that suspended from traveling to/from the kingdom in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19 as decided by the competent committee as a result of COVID-19 outbreak in these countries.
5. All guests must fill out and sign Health Disclaimer Form below then hand it over to health control center upon arrival at airport.
6. All guests will undergo 2-days self-quarantine at home after arriving to the kingdom, then take PCR test by the end of period. If PCR test not conducted, self-quarantine at home continues for 7 days.
7. All guests must download and register on Tatamman and Tawakkalna Applications.
8. Guests must assign home location Through Tatamman app within 8 hours of arrival.
9. Guests most monitor COVID-19 symptoms, and immediately call 937 if any symptoms appeared or go to primary healthcare center or emergency if necessary.
10. Guests must do daily health assessment in Tatamman app.
11. Guests must follow precautionary procedures during self-quarantine at home as stated in the Health Disclaimer Form.

Source https://www.saudia.com/before-flyin...l-requirements-by-international-stations

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If you look at the top of the link you posted Mikeeb, there's a roller thing which gives Advisory Notes on updates for Airports in UK and elsewhere .

According to BBC, Saudi are in the process of resuming pilgrimages, for anyone after 1 November if countries are deemed to be safe...... What does 'safe' mean exactly ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54263359


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That roller only shows terminal 2 at Manchester and Heathrow airports.

BBC link: "Pilgrims from countries deemed safe will be permitted from 1 November, when the daily capacity will rise to 20,000."
There will be an influx of people already booking for that date now.

"The arrival of Umra performers and visitors from outside the kingdom shall be gradual from the countries that are free from health risks related to the coronavirus pandemic,"
So does that mean from countries that have no cases of covid?
I doubt it.

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Re: Coronavirus [Re: granny] #1079848
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Originally Posted by granny
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A bit deep granny, this poem can be interpreted in many ways, one could mean a decision taken years ago could affect what happens today, true of the Conservative party,they have abused their position to benefit certain parts of society at a cost to the majority for decades, now they want the majority to believe them, the seeds of mistrust are beginning to grow, Boris doesn't want to police anything, because it will make him unpopular (if thats possible) hail fellow well met, man of the people. raftl



It can be interpreted differently, and depending on which path taken no one would know about the other path. If we look at History and the flu epidemic of 1918...


quote "The disease spread like wildfire in crowded troop transports and munitions factories, and on buses and trains, according to a 1919 report by Sir Arthur Newsholme for the Royal Society of Medicine.


But a "memorandum for public use" he had written in July 1918, that advised people to stay at home if they were sick and to avoid large gatherings, was buried by the government.


Sir Arthur argued that many lives could have been saved if these rules had been followed, but he added:
"There are national circumstances in which the major duty is to 'carry on', even when risk to health and life is involved." unquote





A very interesting read, especially the last paragraph.

Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1079904
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More confusion. I had a grip of it, but this week it's all too much for me at least. Add to that, Wirral.gov website is still the same as yesterday. Howeever, as most Council employees don;t work weekends, will it be updated if there are any to be listed ?

Whether or not it's the way the BBC actually paragraph the 'rules' but does this rule of 'not to travel ' apply to us in Wirral and does it mean e.g we can't go on holiday to the Lake District because we pass through other Lancashire towns ? Or is that 'should NOT travel' applying only to Burnley and Lancashire wide ones ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54399271


Announcing the latest restrictions, Mr Hancock told the House of Commons "cases continue to rise fast" in Teesside and the north-west of England.

Knowsley, an area in the Liverpool City Region, had the second highest infection rate in the country at 262 per 100,000 on 27 September. Liverpool's weekly infection rate rose to 258, Warrington's was 163 and Hartlepool and Middlesbrough both had 121 cases per 100,000 people.

Burnley, where no further restrictions are yet to be imposed beyond the Lancashire-wide ones already introduced, has the highest infection rate in England at 327 per 100,000.

Mr Hancock also "recommended against all social mixing between households", but said he wanted the restrictions to stay in place for "as short a time as possible".

People in those areas should also:

Not attend professional or amateur sports events as spectators
Only visit care homes in exceptional circumstances
People should not travel unless it is essential - for example to school and work

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The travel guidance for the whole of England for many months has been "essential travel only", nothing has changed.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
The travel guidance for the whole of England for many months has been "essential travel only", nothing has changed.



How have people been allowed to go on holiday, from one end of the country to the other, where hotels and accomodation have been opened, including National Trust cottages for hire. ?


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Got a bit confused myself, re Liverpool City region and Merseyside, must be a difference somewhere, confused.com. confused

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Originally Posted by granny


Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
The travel guidance for the whole of England for many months has been "essential travel only", nothing has changed.



How have people been allowed to go on holiday, from one end of the country to the other, where hotels and accomodation have been opened, including National Trust cottages for hire. ?


Because it is guidance not law. There are very few rules and loads of guidance. Its like the highway code, they use the words "should" and "must".


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