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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1079777
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We are at tipping point for a national lockdown, Matt Hancock says...Another lockdown would be disastrous for the country which lets face it is on its knees, but is slowly improving. Unfortunately the virus rate is rising alarmingly and somethings got to happen. I feel there is now a lot of resentment towards the older generation by the younger ones who will not abide by the rules and are not so susceptible to the virus as us oldies...I’ve been listening most of the day to LBC radio and what I’m getting is that the majority do not want a lockdown and older people and vulnerable should be the ones to go into lockdown and let everybody else take their chances.
I’m one of these oldies and was quite maddened by this but the more I think about it maybe that should happen , I would hate it and be miserable but if it helped the situation and wasn’t for too long well bite the bullet and get on with it . The country can’t keep going into lockdown else the economy will never recover.
What do others think about this , I know it will be unpopular....

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My view is that everyone should be responsible for their own actions to help their family and friends, neighbours and work colleagues. , as I doubt the country will survive another lockdown, particulalry if people start demanding more furlough schemes, that at present I think are due to end in October . The prats just couldn;t wait to get back in the pubs, spend all the money they;ve saved and party as much as possible. Narrow minded prats. I'm furious about all of this , really furious with the blatant arrogance of so many.

Maybe the threat of furlough schemes not being introduced again, might make those who are in denial, sit up and think seriously what they would do if there is another lockdown without any financial support.

I am of the opinion that the older members of society can re-impose lockdown on themsleves if they so wish, and I doubt it would be of little hardship, as most don't seem to have moved on from it yet anyway. It's not the oldies who are transmitting this virus.
Once the vulnerable children start getting it, the prats might think differently, as it seems to have mutated into more than one strain. Maybe it's changing all the time.

As from Tuesday, my only relief of seeing my grandchildren again, will be knocked on the head once more. Haven't done much else since March anyway, apart from shopping.

I really can;t understand how there are so many, including coaches from Liverpool going to Trafalgar Square for yesterdays protests, and how they think it's a conspiracy !! They are absolutely mental. The same protests have been in European countries too, in particular Germany and France that I know of.

Maybe the deniers should be asked to help out cleaning in the Covid wards so the NHS can save on PPE.


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Chris Whitty holding a TV briefing at 11.00 am.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54229845


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I see grandparents are being allowed on the front line to babysit, and those that where told to return to work even though it wasn't necessary must now work from home if they can, best policy to save any misunderstanding is to say if you are earning or spending money carry on, the PM will make a guest appearance on TV tonight to address the nation after having intense lessons on how to keep one straight face and look serious the other face will lapse into meaningless babble interspersed with spittle and hand waving when he loses his place on the idiot sheet.

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Usual confusion and incompetence from the Government, first sentence from their current guidance .....

"You can now exercise alone, with up to 5 other people from outside your household"

Equally mad is the subtitle it is immediately under ....

"What we’re doing"

Source:- https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...d-return-of-outdoor-sport-and-recreation


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Certain routines of exercise involves two people. Giving clear guidelines, is not wrong !

Whatever individual opinions are directed at Boris, we have a problem. Problem solving was always difficult.. but considering the man nearly died from Covid, I am quite sure he is well aware what the impact could be for others if all measures are not followed . To change direction along the route to a final solution is something we should all take on board if we want a (hopefully )successful outcome, and stop critisizing every inch of the way.

Face mask to be worn by staff in all retail outlets.
Face masks to be worn by taxi drivers..

Already , the moans and the groans have started. FFS !

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.Wirral Leisure Centre..... outside, on your own, group of 6.

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Certain routines of exercise involves two people. Giving clear guidelines, is not wrong !

Whatever individual opinions are directed at Boris, we have a problem. Problem solving was always difficult.. but considering the man nearly died from Covid, I am quite sure he is well aware what the impact could be for others if all measures are not followed . To change direction along the route to a final solution is something we should all take on board if we want a (hopefully )successful outcome, and stop critisizing every inch of the way.

Face mask to be worn by staff in all retail outlets.
Face masks to be worn by taxi drivers..

Already , the moans and the groans have started. FFS ! [/quot

To change direction, Mmm that suggests we had a viable direction, up to now the government have been firefighting, they were advised early on about testing yet they dithered then they promised millions of tests, that went well, we are going to police it they have told us,the promised marshals have heard nothing about their applications, local government want to know who will pay for them, the police say the law is difficult to enforce, Boris tells the fines have been increased and we will get more police and maybe military assistance, no urgency no clarity, the police federation rep said if officers stop someone for not wearing a mask and that person says he is exempt then there is nothing they can do, so yes we have a problem, if the police can't control people breaking the law then I don't see how we can hope to control the virus while trying to keep the economy running, perhaps they could label all non mask wearers as pickets and strikers, then they could use their batons and haul them all off in vans to special courts.

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Not sure who you are defending here Casper. Is it the clowns who refuse to wear a mask, or maybe you prefer to bring in the army and have martial law ? Alternatively have a full lockdown and wreck jobs and businesses ?


WHAT exactly do you want anyone to do ??? Give us some ideas,, it might be helpful.


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Perhaps the sarcasm confused you a bit granny, yes I want people to wear masks and wash their hands and follow the advice given albeit if some what confusing, if everyone complies then people can move about to a safer degree and carry out their daily tasks whether it be working or shopping etc,and continue to fuel the economy, however there is a hard core that are refusing to comply allegedly because it is their human right, so what should we do allow them to carry on ? Boris tells us the police will enforce the law, the police say the law is unclear ( lets be very clear the police have trouble enforcing anything, due to depleted numbers, I wonder who cut their numbers and closed police stations?) so we are at a stage when a decision needs to be made, peoples wellbeing and the economy or misguided human rights, at the minute there are still numbers of people ignoring the advice because they are allowed to, as I mentioned in the last post the Tories throughout History have had no qualms about using the state to smash trade unionists and trampling on peoples human rights before, whats different now?

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This was a favourite poem of ChrisKay.. It seems to be an analogy to be used many times and I think it applies today also.

The Road Not Taken
By Robert Frost
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.


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A bit deep granny, this poem can be interpreted in many ways, one could mean a decision taken years ago could affect what happens today, true of the Conservative party,they have abused their position to benefit certain parts of society at a cost to the majority for decades, now they want the majority to believe them, the seeds of mistrust are beginning to grow, Boris doesn't want to police anything, because it will make him unpopular (if thats possible) hail fellow well met, man of the people. raftl

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Originally Posted by granny
Certain routines of exercise involves two people. Giving clear guidelines, is not wrong !


But it is contradictory, you can't be "alone" at the same time as being with others.

Either of the following two sentences make sense ..

"You can now exercise alone or with up to 5 other people from outside your household"

"You can now exercise with up to 5 other people from outside your household"

But the original sentence is nonsense.

"You can now exercise alone, with up to 5 other people from outside your household".

Anyway, I don't think any of these apply to us now, the rules have changed.


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Originally Posted by casper
A bit deep granny, this poem can be interpreted in many ways, one could mean a decision taken years ago could affect what happens today, true of the Conservative party,they have abused their position to benefit certain parts of society at a cost to the majority for decades, now they want the majority to believe them, the seeds of mistrust are beginning to grow, Boris doesn't want to police anything, because it will make him unpopular (if thats possible) hail fellow well met, man of the people. raftl



It can be interpreted differently, and depending on which path taken no one would know about the other path. If we look at History and the flu epidemic of 1918...


quote "The disease spread like wildfire in crowded troop transports and munitions factories, and on buses and trains, according to a 1919 report by Sir Arthur Newsholme for the Royal Society of Medicine.


But a "memorandum for public use" he had written in July 1918, that advised people to stay at home if they were sick and to avoid large gatherings, was buried by the government.


Sir Arthur argued that many lives could have been saved if these rules had been followed, but he added:
"There are national circumstances in which the major duty is to 'carry on', even when risk to health and life is involved." unquote


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by granny
Certain routines of exercise involves two people. Giving clear guidelines, is not wrong !


But it is contradictory, you can't be "alone" at the same time as being with others.

Either of the following two sentences make sense ..

"You can now exercise alone or with up to 5 other people from outside your household"

"You can now exercise with up to 5 other people from outside your household"

But the original sentence is nonsense.

"You can now exercise alone, with up to 5 other people from outside your household".

Anyway, I don't think any of these apply to us now, the rules have changed.


Clearly, the clarity is cloudy, but it is referring to outdoor sports and recreation.


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