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Could you stand in front of someone whose family member has died and say that? The deaths are very real and the shortened lives of many people who have recovered is also very real.

What is worse is that many of the deaths were avoidable and many more in the future would be avoidable as well.

But who wants to stop people enjoying themselves at raves even though it puts other lives at risk.

The "I haven't caught it so far so it doesn't exist" way of thinking just doesn't work.

The "I'll probably survive it" way of thinking doesn't mean you won't kill someone else, how many deaths due to your actions would you be comfortable with? Especially when you are in contact with people in the higher risk categories.

Just had a flash back, some of you may remember this, be in time mask in nine.

EDIT: never mind

'Bullshit' it might be to you, but clearly you are interested enough to read . Don't make me laugh !

New lockdown restrictions come into place for northern England.
I hope it doesn't spread our way.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

I was reading about the Spanish flu and how certain cities in the US handled the pandemic, and if we can compare the similarities with CV it looks like we will be dealing with this well into next year.
Granted, we have more advanced technology and medicine than they did but it's still not a good read.
Here is how St Louis handled it.
https://www.stlmag.com/history/history-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-in-st-louis/

I wonder if this was an infection that was more visible - like some sort of pox - folk might be more careful.

From what Matt Hancock has said its another ill thought out policy apparently the virus is most transmittable indoors, but only in family homes, it knows not to infect pub's, eateries, workplaces and transport etc, we can meet our families in the park or other open space, but not in a pub, I think what Matt is trying to say is the economy has priority, I wonder if it's alright to take a drive to test my eyes?

Also on the news a bit of bigotry from a leading Muslim, who seemed to think this has been done to spoil their religious festival, commenting I bet they wouldn't have done this on Christmas eve.

I can see us having another lockdown the way things are going. These places that have been stopped meeting indoors are the ones having big parties , raves and suchlike invariably young ones.
I do feel so sorry for Boris , he can't do right for doing wrong! . What a god awful start he's had to his primeminister stint, who'd want to be prime minister in these times? There has been mistakes made but so have other countries but we've never been through such a time I doubt that anyone would have done better.
Retrospect is a great thing but no one knew really how to handle it.

Typical victim statement. I bet he regrets saying it now, haha!

Who'd want to be prime minister in any times?

[quote=cools]I can see us having another lockdown the way things are going. These places that have been stopped meeting indoors are the ones having big parties , raves and suchlike invariably young ones.
I do feel so sorry for Boris , he can't do right for doing wrong! . What a god awful start he's had to his primeminister stint, who'd want to be prime minister in these times? There has been mistakes made but so have other countries but we've never been through such a time I doubt that anyone would have done better.
Retrospect is a great thing but no one knew really how to handle it. [/quot

Really cools you feel sorry for Boris, who lied and manipulated himself into the PM's seat yet the seat he wanted so badly has turned in to the proverbial poisoned chalice, he hasn't done any right yet has he? threw the elderly under the bus 50,000 odd deaths the highest in Europe, failed or refused to follow advice from other countries, his party has run the country into the ground over the past decade, NHS, emergency services, police, armed forces, so much so we couldn't enforce a full lockdown the likes of what Italy had even if it was required because we don't have the resources, we can't even cope with illegal raves because the police are overwhelmed and under manned, so any enforcement falls on shopkeepers, bus and train drivers and personel and the general public who have no legal authority, how on earth can that possibly work, people have been giving two fingers to it over the past month Matt Hancock trying to blag and bluster his way through some questions from Naga Munchety but failed miserably, Boris is only trying to head off another fiasco for himself before people realise what an imposter he really is.

As to anyone doing better we will never know that, but make no error if a Labour government had of been in power, good bad or indifferent, the Tories would have set on them like a pack of rabid dogs for a similar fiasco.

We had an election and the people voted and Boris was elected , whether you liked it or not. I dread to think what job Corbyn and Diane Abbot would have made of it, I read a quote somewhere that if you said to Abbot we're going to lockdown she'd have gone to Scotland looking for it!

I don't want to trade political blows this damned virus is what we've got to fight! Boris has made big mistakes and he said himself there will be an inquiry into the handling of it when the times right. None of us realised at the beginning how bad this was going to be and even countries who did a good job are now beginning to start again. People moaned about lockdown coming too late and I was one of them but now he's clamping down as he said he would , people moaning because they haven't finished their holidays or he spoilt their religious things but for me even it was Christmas and we were told to do it , well so be it. Year 2020 is a wipeout anyway we got to look forward to. 2021 and hope this is under control...

Most of us did, we knew what had happened in China, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Italy, Spain etc etc and Boris sat there doing nothing.

WHO declared Covid-19 as a "Public Health Emergency of international Concern" on the 30th January. Britain's first response was on the 16th March and even then it was pitiful.

What is even more worrying is that not only did Boris react late, he then didn't attempt to catch up, things he is doing now are still weeks after they should have been implemented. For a number of months he replicated what America was doing despite the American virus progression being weeks later than us.

Under the Tories the country has gone from world leaders to world followers - its pathetic, we have the skills to be ahead of the game but the politicians haven't got the bottle to capitalise on that. Porton Down is known throughout the world but I bet few can name another non-University laboratory of similar scale in any other country.

Furthermore Boris has used this as a get-out-of-jail-free to hide the monetary theft the Tory party has been undertaking. He has thrown money around totally unnecessarily, in his eyes the more he spends on CV the more hidden the previous corruption is. This will be followed as an excuse to deepen austerity measures despite them making very little difference to the country's finances - it is the money that is being handed to the rich that is bankrupting the people of this country.

Corbyn would have been ridiculed for doing something minor one day late, Boris gets away with killing people by being months late. The power of the millionaire's media!

Cools regardless of whether I liked it or not, he was voted in, his main purpose then was to take us out of the EU, then along comes Covid, a bigger challenge one of the greatest since the second world war, what happens the self proclaimed Churchill 2 is found wanting and out of his depth the tousle headed clown act and the jolly japes don't get it done, so desperate is he, he listens to Cummings and a few rabid right wingers, so what if a few pensioners die, (denied of course) then the penny drops but its to late the damage has been done, but it's okay there will be an enquiry when the time is right, maybe when everything has been forgotten or played down.

We don't know how Corbyn would have handled it, maybe he would have taken the advice of the WHO and listened to what other countries were telling us, something Boris refused to do, we will never know.

For crying out loud , can we move forward instead of harping back, again and again and again. This virus changes daily as in all other countries.

Always the blame game.... I hope none of you are wearing the paper masks... they take 450 years to disintegrate and a call out from WHO has said its a huge environmental catrastophie about to arise.

Blame Boris.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53622877

The east and south coast and the north west coast saw the "heaviest" number of call-outs, while the area around Liverpool and the Wirral saw the most reported incidents at 26, the coastguard said.

Yes, let's blame Boris.

Russia have a vaccine, almost ready for mass roll out from October. Will UK ask Russia for the recipe ? No, I doubt it.

Blame Boris




Blame Blair for allowing too many people in the country during his premiership.. All from Europe, and mostly from countries with far smaller populations and less density than UK. Blame Boris for not sending them home again .

Illegal Migrants sailng across the Channel bringing Covid with them.. Blame Boris [/u]

Black communities where the rise in infections is greatest... [u]Blame Boris becuase they can't follow guidance or even want to.



Huge protests in Germany today because they no longer want lockdown restrictions............ none of them wearinng masks. ..... Blame Boris

18 million cases worldwide and rising, and it's going to get worse ......... Blame Boris

And if pub have to close again............ BLAME BORIS

It's easy to have a blame game. Its makes people feel better about themselves lets all shout aloud . Blame Boris

Right, first off don't turn into the snowflake generation, it doesn't suit you.

2cd, Your post (in the snowflake legality year of 2020) is inciting hatred, luckily I'm old school and don't believe in all that bullshit as I'm not a snowflake.

3rd, grow up

Finally, goto first off and repeat.

Sorry pal but I'm sick of all the bullshit these days, its darn right ridiculous and you know it, can't say this, can't say that, I'm no sheep and ill say what I like, NOBODY controls me, look at yourself man, you're drawn in by all this shite yourself! WAKE UP!

You know me and know exactly the way I think on matters in this day and age, do not insult me!