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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1078008
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Originally Posted by granny
and not only that many people would have had to make their own way by public transport for the radiotherapy and subjected themselves to other infections due to the lack of immunity

That is not quite true granny.
My brother was offered to be taken up and back home by an ambulance but was told he would have to wait around until it arrived and also wait to be taken back after the treatment, that is why I took him every day.

Anyway granny, hope you recovered well and are free of cancer. happy

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Just because some cases ideally need radiotherapy is no reason to shut the services down for others that don't.

And the same goes for closing down all elective surgery as well, by the time cancer requires non-elective treatment the patient's prospects are greatly diminished.

Basically the message is you aren't going to receive treatment until we are certain you are going to die very soon regardless of what it does for your longer term prospects. Hardly hippocratic oath material is it?

Arrow park managed to create a lot of extra space for the coach loads of isolators yet they can't find extra space for patients?.

We had the ridiculous situation of a lot of medical personnel sitting around in empty departments twiddling their thumbs whilst peoples lives were being foreshortened through lack of treatment.


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and not only that many people would have had to make their own way by public transport for the radiotherapy and subjected themselves to other infections due to the lack of immunity

That is not quite true granny.
My brother was offered to be taken up and back home by an ambulance but was told he would have to wait around until it arrived and also wait to be taken back after the treatment, that is why I took him every day.

Anyway granny, hope you recovered well and are free of cancer. happy


I understand that ambulances picked up and dropped off on a daily basis, and it was usually hanging around all day to be taken home for those people, but would it have been the same in lockdown ? There are also the patients coming to Liverpool from the Isle of Man with someone to care for them over a 6 week period. Where would they stay during lockdown with no transport ? The young woman from Wales with a brain tumour to Clatterbridge , with her husband. Where would he have stayed during lockdown ? The man from Hull with one leg who had to go to Addenbrooks in Cambridgeshire for a couple of weeks. His wife takes him but where would she stay during lockdown ? All these cases are known to me, and as much as I appreciate how lucky we are having Clatterbridge on the doorstep, that is not the case for many patients nationwide. So I can see why taking on new cancer patients could have cause immense problems for the NHS.
Being hospitalised with no visitors to bring a bit of cash to get a newspaper , a packet of sweets, a bunch of grapes a bottle of juice , no clean clothes or night wear to change into.

When your brother had radiotherapy, for so many weeks, there would also have been the patients in the wards who also had a daily dose. How would the sterilisation have taken place with people coming in from outside every 15 minutes mingling with those on chemo from the wards ?

So many important points to be considered.

Thanks for wishes Mikeeb, , and yes, fighting fit , much to everyone's annoyance laugh I would like to say that without our wonderful Clatterbridge, things could have been different.
I hope your brother is on full recovery too, Mikeeb.


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Originally Posted by cools
Surely theirs a better way to protest than crowding together in their thousands at this time, during a pandemic
We'll never get rid of this damn virus with actions like this. NHS will get swamped , how much is spreading around again now...


You would think so. Wrong time wrong place for all of them. Right across Europe, including Germany ,Italy, Spain.. despite restrictions and pleas from all Governments. Black lives matter but so does everyone else at the moment.
An absolute travesty for the doctors and nurses who have flogged themselves into the ground, and should they be faced with another onslaught I can see some giving up.

One minute these same people are applauding the NHS and carers , next they are throwing it all back in their faces. That applies to all the countries where protests have taken place.

Casper would have been there in Manchester , given the chance, but he knew the rules. Well, I think he does, because he seems to think the rules confuse the protestors, so I assume he must know and understand them very well, so why doesn't everyone else ? Hey , Casper ? XXX


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Originally Posted by granny
[quote=cools]Surely theirs a better way to protest than crowding together in their thousands at this time, during a pandemic
We'll never get rid of this damn virus with actions like this. NHS will get swamped , how much is spreading around again now...


You would think so. Wrong time wrong place for all of them. Right across Europe, including Germany ,Italy, Spain.. despite restrictions and pleas from all Governments. Black lives matter but so does everyone else at the moment.
An absolute travesty for the doctors and nurses who have flogged themselves into the ground, and should they be faced with another onslaught I can see some giving up.

One minute these same people are applauding the NHS and carers , next they are throwing it all back in their faces. That applies to all the countries where protests have taken place.

Casper would have been there in Manchester , given the chance, but he knew the rules. Well, I think he does, because he seems to think the rules confuse the protestors, so I assume he must know and understand them very well, so why doesn't everyone else ? Hey , Casper ? XXX [/

You nearly got it right granny, I didn't say the rules confuse the protesters, I said the rules are confusing to everyone, I'am with you a 100% on what you have posted above, however Johnsons knee jerk reaction on the possibility of thousands of job losses caused him to panic and ease lockdown too early and at the wrong time, as I have said before its about how people perceive things on the information and knowledge they have, a nice sunny week and being told that restrictions are being eased led to a false sense of security people openly out and about enjoying themselves and look nothings happened its all okay, again its about perception, it may be something to do with age, education with social standing or any number of things, older people are more conditioned and receptive to accepting and obeying rules and common decency, because we come from a time when that was the norm, the young are influenced by social media and soak up the crap posted on there like a sponge, anyhow I am happy to be a silly old fart, just go to the shops when I need to, observe the basics see family in garden when weather allows and a walk and to be thankful for what we have. xxx oldman

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Bravo ,Casper. I'll give you a wave from my garden.

I'm not with you on the idea of false security being the culprit, in my opinion they don't give two shits about anyone other than having a good time. A party in Kirkby Cutt woods with a few hundred (according to the media) people and nothing to do with 'Black lives Matter'. All out to find their next supply and blow their minds. That's the reality, it's the drugs that drive and the drugs that dictate.


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What about the the NHS staff of BAME , did their lives matter when they died in the fight against covid-19 , apparently not ! The families of these protesters must be so worried when they come home , especially if you in the vulnerable group.
Disgusting scenes of vandalism on cenetaph etc.

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Originally Posted by granny
Thanks for wishes Mikeeb, , and yes, fighting fit , much to everyone's annoyance laugh I would like to say that without our wonderful Clatterbridge, things could have been different.
I hope your brother is on full recovery too, Mikeeb

Yes, Clatterbridge and the Walton Centre are amazing and we are so lucky they are close to us.
Thanks Granny, my bro is doing well. He took his last chemo last month and due a brain scan end of this month. pray

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Originally Posted by mikeeb
Originally Posted by granny
Thanks for wishes Mikeeb, , and yes, fighting fit , much to everyone's annoyance laugh I would like to say that without our wonderful Clatterbridge, things could have been different.
I hope your brother is on full recovery too, Mikeeb

Yes, Clatterbridge and the Walton Centre are amazing and we are so lucky they are close to us.
Thanks Granny, my bro is doing well. He took his last chemo last month and due a brain scan end of this month. pray



The very best of good wishes to your brother , Mikeeb.


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Originally Posted by cools
What about the the NHS staff of BAME , did their lives matter when they died in the fight against covid-19 , apparently not ! The families of these protesters must be so worried when they come home , especially if you in the vulnerable group.
Disgusting scenes of vandalism on cenetaph etc.


Disgusting scenes indeed, the one on the cenotaph did his cause no good and only alienated any sympathy with what they are trying to achieve, Bristol fared no better, what would the country look like if we all decided to destroy or remove something we found offensive maybe a war memorial because some don't believe in war, it also highlighted the inability of the police to control the incident, a spokesman for the police said due to limited numbers they felt it was not safe to intervene, and this highlights what I have been saying throughout and the reason the lockdown wasn't enforced, the misnamed policing by consent aka we haven't the police numbers to control anything outside of London.

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Just been on the news. Cancer referrals are down 60% during the CV pandemic.
There was a lady on it saying it is unfair her life could be shortened because of this. I'd have to agree.

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See this damn corona virus has broken out again in China...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...onavirus-outbreaks-spark-unease-in-china

God hurry up with a vaccine, don't think social distancing is being taken notice of now especially the young ones, I've seen gangs of kids all strolling along together, all these protests in the midst of a pandemic!
I often wonder if we being watched by another planet who are more advanced than us, god they must think we a planet intent on destroying itself...

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That is an old article cools.
Here is one from yesterday believed to have been centred around another food market in Beijing.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/13/beijing-china-new-covid-19-cases-linked-to-food-market

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Thanks Mikeeb, should have gone to specsavers ha ..

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I do, that's why I noticed it, haha.

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