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Re: House through time [Re: mikeeb] #1077717
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Originally Posted by mikeeb
Come on DD, you are just being pedantic here.
"Domestic servitude is the seemingly normal practice of live-in help that is used as cover for the exploitation and control of someone, usually from another country."


I don't think someone that has been enslaved would agree with you, slavery is a completely different level to servitude. Slavery is servitude without debt, the outright involuntary ownership of a person. There is such a thing as penal-servitude but not penal-slavery - its all about debt (financial or otherwise) that makes the difference.

Originally Posted by mikeeb
Times change, what is wrong now doesn't mean it was wrong at the time - if you'd approached my cave a few thousand years ago I would have been perfectly right to kill you first and ask questions later.

Because it was ok back then does not mean it should be forgotten about today and brushed under the carpet, just because it used to be acceptable a few centuries ago.
Britain was one of the most prolific in gaining wealth through the slave trade. Paint it how you want but it is well documented.
A lot of changes in History are for the better, realising the mistakes of the past.[/quote]

I agree with that, especially remembering the past. But to bring "blame" on 21st century Liverpool is not right, especially when the claims include or infer false allegations of the mistreatment of slaves IN Liverpool. Nobody in Liverpool are in any responsible for what happened in slave trade.

Do you also know the Government compensated slave traders when they outlawed slavery worldwide, it was right and wrong, they could never of outlawed it if they didn't bribe those involved. So not only did the traders make money out of slavery but all of the British public rewarded them as well.


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Re: House through time [Re: cools] #1077724
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You have misquoted me above DD. wink

I knew about the Government compensation which showed how much we relied on that trade when it had gone, even though it still went on after it was abolished.

Where are they bringing blame on 21st century Liverpool?

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Originally Posted by mikeeb
You have misquoted me above DD. wink

I knew about the Government compensation which showed how much we relied on that trade when it had gone, even though it still went on after it was abolished.

Where are they bringing blame on 21st century Liverpool?


I'm still cooling down from a very hot day of walking, not helped by a mentally challenged wireless keyboard, sorry frown

I have no idea why the blame but that is how it is coming over, giving Liverpool the "European Capital of the Slave Trade" title belatedly doesn't help. At one time it was a statement but they are now using it as a contemporary title.

Portugal is way ahead of the statistics than than Britain so without nominating Portugal as "The European Nation of the Slave Trade" at the same time, definitely misleads. I also suspect Lisbon should have the "European Capital of the Slave Trade" but us British are often self-deprecating.

Liverpool only had roughly 50% of British involvement, Lisbon had more than 50% of Portuguese involvement and as said, Portugal had more involvement than Britain .... therefore it is impossible for Liverpool to have more involvement than Lisbon.


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