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Re: Old Car Photo [Re: petzl] #1077865
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Another freeze on video of him with helmet on at 1:08:54..

Got to be him. !


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It really does look like Elaine Stewart and him so I think you've cracked it Granny ...

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I got all excited then put in google images of Elaine Stewart with sunbeam Alpine loads came up and our photo yay but then I noticed Wiki wirral underneath ughhhh.ha..

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Originally Posted by cools
It really does look like Elaine Stewart and him so I think you've cracked it Granny ...



I hope so Cools, because all roads keep leading back to Rome right now, (to coin an expression) She was a beautiful girl, and more photos of her from different angles and lighting seem to show more or less the same person (but we have been here before and decided they all looked the same. Haha ! )

I feel happy with that, but would not expect others to agree unless in complete agreement. I hope Petzi hasn't given up on this.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=e...ih=502&dpr=1.25#imgrc=0_bdbX7_qMTZoM


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If it is Bill Carter, he was christened William T Carter, born West Derby, Liverpool on 20th December 1918. Father Benjamin Carter, mother Eliza A Swann. They were married 1914 West Derby (April /May or June )


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Well they married in 1960 at the town hall Chiavenna Italy. She was also doing movies in Italy in 1962.
I'm satisfied Granny , well done I deffo think you're right....

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Uhuh just zoomed in on her finger no wedding ring....

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I spent the early hours this morning watching Bill Carter in a film made in 1946, 'I always loved you'. As much as I enjoyed the film and in the end had fallen in love with this guy, ....... I must now admit, I don't think it's the chap in the photo, apart from anything else he seems much taller and no one can change the height of a person. Boo hoo !

Who knows ? I've come to the end of the line, although I still think the girl is Elaine Stewart.

It's a nice film about a young talented pianist , and it's a very gentle and typical love story of the period . Carter didn't make many movies, about 3 in total I think. If you want to watch it Cools, enjoy .



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We've been quite sold on Elaine Stewart before but the fella is still a mystery. Just skipped through the 1964 Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald which Carter acted in, I think I know which actor Carter was but the man in the photo doesn't seem to appear in the film.


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oh no I was quite happy with that Granny now what do we do ha...Think for our own sanity and DDs we will just have to accept it as an unsolved mystery , Elaine Stewart and unknown man...will have a watch of the film thanks.

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[quote=diggingdeeper]We've been quite sold on Elaine Stewart before but the fella is still a mystery. Just skipped through the 1964 Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald which Carter acted in, I think I know which actor Carter was but the man in the photo doesn't seem to appear in the film.

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Yes, he is in very briefly on three separate snips between 00:55:10 and 01:00:00

There must have been at least 30 yrs between the photo I posted on here and that film you have posted and make up is a wonderful thing.
There is also some confusion about Bill Carter, he seems to have various things attached to him, including being injured in WWII and being a representative to the UN in some capacity, but when looking into it, there seems to be more than one Bill Carter , which is even more confusing and there is evidence that one account has been copied from another, which is not necessarily truth. William(Bill) T Carter born West Derby 20th Dec 1918, has the same place and date of birth as Arthur William(Bill) Carter .... so you see what I'm getting at ?

@ Cools, well if you are happy with it, I can always go backwards and try to make him fit the picture ... I think we've all got a mental block as there seems to be similarities with the men as much as the women.. It could be him. !! laugh laugh laugh


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I think you picked the wrong actor, he was one of the witnesses on the stand. Carter would be mid forties when the film was shot and the maximum time between the photo and the film was eleven years. The earliest the car was made was 1953.

It is Arthur we are after


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
I think you picked the wrong actor, he was one of the witnesses on the stand. Carter would be mid forties when the film was shot and the maximum time between the photo and the film was eleven years. The earliest the car was made was 1953.

It is Arthur we are after


It's him, one of the witnesses on the stand, on the section I pointed out ! I think we are getting photos mixed up. I was talking about the photo on page 4 of this.
There is no Arthur William Carter registered as born on 20th December 1918 in West Derby or Liverpool. However, there is a William T Carter born on 20th December 1918 in West Derby.


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Same fellow who is on the witness stand in Lee Harvey Oswald. film

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All very confusing.

To re-cap

Bill Carter: Picture above as a young man.

Film: ' I've always loved you' look at last couple of minutes. same Bill Carter

Film : Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald' look at witness at 00:55:10 and 01:00:00 .same Bill Carter

No 'Arthur William Carter' registered birth in Liverpool for 20th Dec 1918
There is a 'William T Carter' registered birth in Liverpool ,West Derby 20th Dec 1918

To evaluate : IMO, Bill Carter which ever one it might be, is not the man in the picture with the woman.

So Bill Carter can be dropped into Room 101.



Let's start all over again ! laugh It's still very annoying .


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