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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1077773
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I cannot see another huge rise in deaths and suspect we are over the worst of this.
The only reason for the lockdown was not to overwhelm the NHS.
Although denied, herd immunity seems like the ultimate goal to put the brakes on this virus.
Time to end all lockdown rules.

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Still 2000 recorded new cases a day, with a 13% mortality rate that's going to retain 260 deaths a day for at least the coming two weeks.

If you remove lockdown you will incapacitate the country, food supplies would be threatened.

Wirral has got bad statistics, saw figures the other day that Wirral hospital deaths were roughly half of Merseyside's despite us having less than a quarter of the population.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Still 2000 recorded new cases a day, with a 13% mortality rate that's going to retain 260 deaths a day for at least the coming two weeks.

If you remove lockdown you will incapacitate the country, food supplies would be threatened.

Wirral has got bad statistics, saw figures the other day that Wirral hospital deaths were roughly half of Merseyside's despite us having less than a quarter of the population.


If we go back to arrival of those buses that brought the people for isolation, I wonder how many cases we had then and did they escalate around that time, as there were many reports of hospital staff being used in the isolation unit and across the hospital, sending people all the way up here to isolate doesnt make much sense other than to allow more places to be made available for those down south because they knew what was coming, the more I read about this government the more I worry we are being taken for suckers big time, the ever changing faces of those making government announcements, maybe because those that should be there can't face the cameras whilst continually lying.

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Originally Posted by mikeeb
I cannot see another huge rise in deaths and suspect we are over the worst of this.
The only reason for the lockdown was not to overwhelm the NHS.
Although denied, herd immunity seems like the ultimate goal to put the brakes on this virus.
Time to end all lockdown rules.


The Trust where I work is operating at a much lower capacity than normal, because patients and staff must be kept further apart to mitigate a virus that is still at large. Capacity will not magically return to normal if the Government announces an end to the lockdown, and there's no guarantee that this virus will simply disappear. A point brought up in operational meetings regarded the need to prepare for additional surges in September, and throughout the winter months. The Government, treating it as a economic matter rather than a health crisis, has done very little to ensure that we will not be overwhelmed by these surges.

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It's germ warfare, and they all know it is ! We could be isolated for decades.. who want's that ?

IMO, if the US want war, and the infrastructure world wide is too intricate and congested in cities around the world, and bombing civilians is a war crime, and there are too many people on the planet... and increasing, creating food shortages etc. how else do you get rid and where is the best place to begin ? The one with the biggest population, of course, and the one that is becoming more powerful than the US.

Note Trump now wants G7 to include more countries like Russia, Australia, South Korea, obviously to create a perfect wall against China. Last year Russia were the evil doers, this year it's China. Ask how this all changes so quickly ?

I still believe the way Salisbury was handled, reported, and terminated, with expulsion of Russian diplomats , Europe and world wide in a matter of days , was collusion with CIA !
All very 'shut up' now isn't it, but Dominic Cummings trip to Durham will go on for years. Bizarre !


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Very interesting granny, we let two Russian GRU agents who were identified as the assassins, go free with half hearted attempts at retaliation, and we let a government chief adviser go free, even your old mate Jezza eventually agreed it was the Russians, things in common,the British economy is the ultimate priority above all, forget justice common decency, British values and the other list of clap trap we are being constantly fed, they would sell their grannies (Oop's) for a few shillings.

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Originally Posted by casper
If we go back to arrival of those buses that brought the people for isolation, I wonder how many cases we had then and did they escalate around that time, as there were many reports of hospital staff being used in the isolation unit and across the hospital.

No, the staff used inside the isolation centre did not go into the rest of the hospital. Protocol was used and maintained about how things transferred across the isolation zone.

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two Russian GRU agents who were identified as the assassins

There was no evidence, any country could have done it in an attempt to stir things up, in particular America was actively looking to stir up anti-Russian feelings at the time, certain Eastern interests had a reason in doing similar.


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I want to know more about this daily testing, the ones in charge are slapping themselves on the back that they have reached their target of testing 200,000, big deal! lets test everyone in the country, ok its going to take around 15 years to do it but test us all?

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The track and trace is going to be called the NHS Track & Trace despite it having nothing to do with the NHS. It should have been called the DOHSC Track and Trace but might have been worried it would be abbreviated to DOH.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
The track and trace is going to be called the NHS Track & Trace despite it having nothing to do with the NHS.

But ultimately it is helping the NHS. I think the DHSC should just lose that title and just be adsorded into the NHS.
I know the NHS needs accountability, but this many dept's (29) are just jobs for the boys, in my eyes. wink
I'd like to know how much is needed to fund all these agencies.

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Liverpool Echo scariest time ..... I am beyond scared by this coronavirus scariness .... Any time I go for essential shopping , social distancing is barely being adhered too .... 3 times in 1 week I have had to snarl / raise my voice and go a little primal at somebody with no idea as to the magnitude of this !!! God help us all

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It appears funny that they were only aware of this in the afternoon, unless the worker phoned in and said he was tested positive, I can't imagine anyone taking ill with this without showing the earlier symptoms, I know people can have it and show no symptoms, but then they wouldn't be aware to report it, sounds like the usual Echo sensationalism attempt, as it stands without further detail many could have been infected and need to be tracked and tested, but we know that is impossible because the system is not ready enough and the testing is a shambles, a sugar coated dummy to lull us into a false sense of security.

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The track and trace won't work, whichever way we look at it. Note congestion at Brighton beach, Dorset coast at the weekend. Protests through London , Manchester, Glasgow and other places in support of this US guy killed., another one in Hyde Park today. No way will it work, and they shouldn't bother wasting anymore money on it, when the young people have no interest .
The people who are careful and follow the guidelines will be doing all they can, but they won't be the ones needing track and trace so much , or the ones who will raise the infection numbers again.

If the infection rate does not go up to any great degree, they'd better start looking for reasons why not, and looking elsewhere for answers.


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Social distancing gone out of the window. Two weeks ago I posted about an incident that occured in Aldi Bidston Moss when a relative asked another female customer to adhere to the rules & got a mouthful of abuse from that woman which resulted in the Manager threatening to throw both of them out ! A witness reported it on FB & my relative got lots of positive feed from it. The manager was reported to Aldi head office who promised to investigate & report back ,needless to say they didnt & nothing has changed in the store to rectify the matter.A bit of understanding & politeness is needed in this dreadful time

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Well after all those protest marches today yes I would say social distancing has gone!

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