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cools #1075989 31st Mar 2020 7:16pm
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Not forgetting Saudi are having a go at destroying Russia even at this critical time. This is our big chance to let bygones be bygones with Russia but have we got any decent diplomats to intervene?


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When this comes to an end, if there is an end to it, the World leaders need to get hold of China and say this is how much you owe the World pay up now!
I read that the animal market over there is open again selling cats and dogs, so it all going to start again, i must make a call to the Mother-ship and go home!

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Originally Posted by keef666
When this comes to an end, if there is an end to it, the World leaders need to get hold of China and say this is how much you owe the World pay up now!
I read that the animal market over there is open again selling cats and dogs, so it all going to start again, i must make a call to the Mother-ship and go home!


If the disease was in the market then it was out there elsewhere, it was only a matter of time before it jumped to a human.

How can it be China's fault, they were blind-sided by nature, other countries had advanced warning and didn't manage to contain it except for South Korea who were the only country to listen to China.


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Originally Posted by keef666
When this comes to an end, if there is an end to it, the World leaders need to get hold of China and say this is how much you owe the World pay up now!
I read that the animal market over there is open again selling cats and dogs, so it all going to start again, i must make a call to the Mother-ship and go home!



It won't come to an end. It's here now just like flu, and until an effective vaccine is found it will continue. Experts are already talking about it returning next winter.


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The Great Levelling Out.

My goodness, things are now beginning to crash. Could be the best thing for us. Globalisation knocked on the head, and begin our own industries and manufacturing again.
I fail to see how the EU as a whole will survive this.

The biblical meaning of 'free will' , has well and truly been taken from away us. Time for reflection on the meaning of life . We have found out we are not in control of anything when the unexpected raises it's head.
Scary but interesting times .

Interestingly, Japan has had very few cases and deaths considering they were one of the first countries to have a confirmed case.


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There are a lot of stories that Japan is hiding the CV figures in an attempt to retain the Olympics go ahead. We shall find out in the next few weeks, you can only hide the figures for so long.

The EU (ie Germany) will learn lessons from Brexit and make the other countries highly financially dependent on the EU and face fiscal disaster/punishment should they leave.

It all depends whether Germany can hold its economy together, there were major cracks appearing before CV, if they think they need to disband the EU project for their own recovery they will.

Then France has suddenly got illusions of grandeur and believe they can take over Germany's leading position of the EU, considering France's economy is roughly the same as the UK's but less stable, they haven't got a hope in hell.


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anyone actually believe the news item today that "new research shows germs spread by coughing sneezing may reach 6 to 8m from a person and therefore masks might be a good idea" Come on flu has been around decades even coronavirus in one form or another since the 1960s and they have only just decided to do research on how far germs can carry from one person to another. We are being controlled (which is not necessarily a bad thing) with drip fed information. Watched a panorama programme years ago following the tube bombings and they had a mock cobra emergency type meeting and the one thing that struck me was the bit about what narrative they should put out to the main stream media to "control" public reactions etc..
The Govt walking a tightrope between creating enough fear and panic to get us to abide by the guidelines and yet not cause too much panic that may result in civil unrest. I think some of the police actions designed for the same purpose..e.g the drone cams following walkers in Derbyshire and the recent one of fining a lady £700 under the new Cronoavirus powers for something which a few days earlier was legal (i.e.not having to give your name or other information to the Police). It doesnt necessarily change what is actually happening in the country. I had a quick look at NHS stats ,over last 4 years ,for the places where you are most likely to catch "normal" flu (not sure if it added and die from it) but it was roughly over 75%+ care homes, 10% hospital, 10% schools and 2% elsewhere.

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Yes, I believe the distance, its been demonstrated many times in the past, the common colds unit alone did extensive studies and there have been many reports since. There is probably confusion between the spread of droplets, fine mist (aerosol) and the virus particles themselves without a host substance. A lack of understanding between scientists and politicians doesn't help, when the scientist says the virus is quite heavy and falls fast, this doesn't mean it drops at your feet, its not a lead cannonball (and yet we know how far they can travel!).

Masks do not make a lot of difference to a recipient, however they make a large difference as a infected donor because it reduces the release speed of particles.

Viruses are very small things, no mask is capable of blocking them, if one is sitting on your mask it has a chance of working its way through the mask over time as you breath - if you change your mask every few minutes it would help somewhat.

What hasn't been talked about in the UK is the aerosoling of faeces, just the act of flushing a toiling after an infected person uses it puts up a very fine aerosol which can contain the virus and spread it around. This was missed in the early days in China and is thought to have significantly contributed to the spread of the virus. Obviously there are other methods of aerosol occurring including flatulence.


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Coronavirus: Little and Large comedian Eddie Large dies 'after contracting COVID-19 in hospital very sad new today



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yes DD i believe the distance just that its not new research.. research would have been around for decades and used for a host of products, masks, clean room equipment, . Simple mask/visor can be made using a plastic sleeve you use in ring binders and a plastic hair band threaded through it.

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With regard to distancing in general, it seems it's being very patchily adhered to. Supermarkets seem to vary widely in their adherence to distancing guidelines, spreading out queues, number of people allowed in etc. I was talking to someone who said that Asda Bromborough had every till open today, in defiance of distancing - Greasby Co-op only has two out of four operating - so much for protecting shoppers! Not impressed, Asda. I think a lot of how well it is observed is down to individual managers. I won't be going there. Come to that, I wouldn't go anyway, it's too far, but you take my point!

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Coronavirus: Little and Large comedian Eddie Large dies 'after contracting COVID-19 in hospital very sad new today


Sad news, again. However, he was not a well man.


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Originally Posted by Greenwood
With regard to distancing in general, it seems it's being very patchily adhered to. Supermarkets seem to vary widely in their adherence to distancing guidelines, spreading out queues, number of people allowed in etc. I was talking to someone who said that Asda Bromborough had every till open today, in defiance of distancing - Greasby Co-op only has two out of four operating - so much for protecting shoppers! Not impressed, Asda. I think a lot of how well it is observed is down to individual managers. I won't be going there. Come to that, I wouldn't go anyway, it's too far, but you take my point!


Yes, agreed. Steer clear of the supermarkets if at all possible.

Talking to someone in Kent tonight, they were saying that the number of cars on the roads, and in the small towns has been staggeringly increasing in the last 24 hrs. People are obviously thinking they can get away with it, after being locked up for a week.

I am flabbergasted tonight to see France's death rate over the last 24 hrs......... 1,355


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Originally Posted by Greenwood
With regard to distancing in general, it seems it's being very patchily adhered to. Supermarkets seem to vary widely in their adherence to distancing guidelines, spreading out queues, number of people allowed in etc. I was talking to someone who said that Asda Bromborough had every till open today, in defiance of distancing - Greasby Co-op only has two out of four operating - so much for protecting shoppers! Not impressed, Asda. I think a lot of how well it is observed is down to individual managers. I won't be going there. Come to that, I wouldn't go anyway, it's too far, but you take my point!



staff off sick ? should restrict numbers entering. My lad is assistant manager at a shop with 2 other staff and they limit it to 2 people at a time with the door locked but still getting people just wanting to browse and buy nothing

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Browsing is a difficult one. For people, particularly those alone, who've been used to popping into the shops more or less daily for a bit of company and a few odds and ends, it must be distressing to be so limited - as it is for so many! Maybe they're clinging to that habit, not realising how difficult it makes things for others.

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