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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1075342
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Doesn't the soap create a barrier ?

Saw this yesterday.




This is an unknown as much to us as the rest of the world. WHO advice hasn't managed to stop it from spreading, so we are in the lap of the gods. We can find blame all we want if we actually knew from which lab this 'designer virus ' originated , until then nobody is any the wiser. I say 'designer' because viruses don't generally pick and choose their targets without a bit of help. Accuse me of conspiracy it's fine, but I believe as things are, we are all human, it doesn't matter who the leader is, all the cross parties are being advised by the same people and everyone is doing their best. To think otherwise is clearly not very rational. I understood Boris's advice yesterday and his team who gave a clear understanding of what we should be doing and why we are being told what to do and when. If people are taking more information from outside sources, we could end up in a worse mess..... because nobody knows !


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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1075344
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It was only a matter of time before a virus or bacteria or other organism caused us problems. Our previous tribal safeguards have been broken, these are what protected us from plagues and more in the past. We may have had some really bad diseases in the past but it would have remained very localised.

Look at the number of trees that have problems and they have much more robust immune systems than us. Again our globalism hasn't helped them either, we have done our damnedest to spread their infections around the globe.

Soap doesn't leave a barrier, it washes off with water. The demonstration could mislead people into think that soap physically repels viruses - its total nonsense, although it does help wash viruses off the skin. The function of soap is to dissolve greases on our skin, grease helps things stick to us. Soap's negative side affect is to wash away our natural acid coating which protects us from many bacteria, that is possibly why cuts on hands take longer to heal than other parts of the body.

A hand cream/emollient probably helps the virus stick to our skin, hand creams create a water barrier and soften by retaining the skins fluids, some have a lubricant in them to fool you into thinking your skin is softer straight away, its just slippier. Eitherway, the grease or lubricant will probably help retain the virus on our skin.

Our skin doesn't need protecting from CV with an additional barrier, its not considered an entry route but it can transfer from our hands to our mouths and noses.


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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1075349
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I bought some Aleppo soap months ago. Made from olive oil and laurel and said to be anti-bacterial . Apart from the smell which is not too bad and nowhere near as bad as carbolic , and the look of it, it's a really nice lather up soap and gentle on the skin. Said to be anti-bacterial and good for various skin complaints. As I can't get any anti bacterial gel, I thought this would do instead .
Get it off ebay and it last quite a long time.

https://thetoiletzone.com/aleppo-soap-History-benefits-uses/


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Think we will be going into lockdown soon, all other countries doing it can’t see how we can carry on , dread it though but if it’s got to be done so be it.

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Yes, probably right ,Cools. I'm not arsed to be honest. I might go stark staring bonkers,(not too far off anyway) but probably I won't be on my own. If anything that each and everyone of us can do to help another , we should , as we owe it to each other.

Referring to the above video, it was shown last night on BBC as an educational video for children in the present climate.

It's the darned stockpiling that's really annoying me. Some greedy people out there and some virtually starving whilst they wait ! It shows how selfish and thoughtless human nature actually is.


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Gibraltar is only a little population, I really hope they don't get hit.


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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1075353
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Anti-bacterial soap is a con, its exactly what it says on the can, its soap with effectively a preservative in it which protects the soap. The antibacterial substances are nowhere near strong enough to disinfect your hands, certainly in the short time it is used. But I still buy it.

The countries most hit by the virus are (in order), Italy, Switzerland, Norway, Spain, Iran, Estonia, Denmark, South Korea, Quatar, Austria. We are way down the table in 29th position, China is 20th. Being an Island we are trailing behind in time but that will change.

Speaking to a friend today, he was so concerned about his wife's existing conditions and the risk of infecting her, he had forgotten that he also had a vulnerable condition. We normally meet once a week, we won't be doing that for a while.

A lot of self-employed people are suffering loss of income without any support from the Government. Businesses that have premises are getting financial support but those without aren't. Self-employed have had an enhancement to ESA but it is still considerably less than statutory sick pay for employees despite the amount of National Insurance (Class 2 and Class 4) the self-employed pay.


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Re: Coronavirus [Re: muzzy2] #1075354
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Originally Posted by muzzy2
If anyone gets it, would they be willing to post on here how they are affected, what they feel like, progression etc. Also how they think they caught it.
I think it would help us understand better what to do and best things to do to avoid if possible.
Seeing all this panic about hand gel, why not just try a spot of bleach to wash hands with?


No one has replied to Muzzy. Sorry.

I hope nobody on wiki contracts it, but if it should happen, I doubt they will feel well enough to be bothered about giving a review. Depending on the severity, I think DD suggested people should be better taking more exercise rather than resting. I can say with experience that if you are ill and can't breathe, there is no way anyone will be taking exercise. It's one of the most distressing things to suffer, add to that a temperature and exhaustion ( from not being able to breath) , probably not going anywhere too soon .

NB to Gibbo. Thank you for the link . Interesting info.


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No need for hand gel just wash your hands for two minutes and for people coughing into Crook of the arm please remember that you need to wash your top ASAP and not leave it until wash day. Now that schools are to close we need to wash every time you touch a door or work top, just think everywhere someone hand has been can carry the virus



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All job centres to close for 3 months from today



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All pubs , restaurants, gyms etc told to close. I’m glad he’s paying most if wages for people forced to stay home, it was a big worry ..

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Wirral Council have hinted that if bin collections are hit by staff absence they will stop collecting grey bins first as they aren't a health hazard.


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Is this for the whole country or just London?
Report in the Sun says across the capital and another states London.

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Well, they may go on strike anyway!

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According to Wirral Globe website it's Wirral as well for closure of pubs, gyms, restaurants etc - though doing take-aways might be an option for some. At the same time, the binnies are being ballotted on strike action! You couldn't make it up... great timing, folks.

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