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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1075125
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Is the co-founder of Apple patient zero for coronavirus in the U.S.? Steve Wozniak told Inside Edition that he and his wife were both sick after returning from Hong Kong in January, where he came into contact with a tourist from Wuhan, the epicenter of the crisis. He said he is now recovering, but said he knows “that if we returned from Hong Kong today with the symptoms we had, we’d be candidates for testing and quarantine immediately." hmmmmm burn him with fire??!! lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsz-JQVJAbw

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Just as long as he's getting better. Had it happened today and he had not been quarantined, should he have died there would have been ructions.

In Tesco today, not a toilet roll left on the shelves. Incredible. Whether Tesco had refrained from putting more stock out, I don't know but what have toilet rolls got to do with this virus ? Crazy mentalities !


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Originally Posted by granny


In Tesco today, not a toilet roll left on the shelves. Incredible. Whether Tesco had refrained from putting more stock out, I don't know but what have toilet rolls got to do with this virus ? Crazy mentalities !


Speaking to my sister in Western Australia this morning - no toilet roll out there either - worldwide shortage! ?

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Originally Posted by granny
In Tesco today, not a toilet roll left on the shelves. Incredible. Whether Tesco had refrained from putting more stock out, I don't know but what have toilet rolls got to do with this virus ? Crazy mentalities !


One of the common symptoms is diarrhoea which lasts for quite a few days, it would be difficult if you are in self-quarantine without loo roll, especially if you are quarantined within a household.


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I wonder if the same problem has occurred with tissues? Same thing really, though perhaps not quite as robust.

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I've not seen any figures for the spread of the virus in the UK ie those have that got infected inside the UK. This would give is a much better idea of spread. I believe it only to be a handful at the moment, perhaps less than 5?


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We are up to 209 cases now. Keep track on: worldometers.info
Gives you all the gory details.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by granny
In Tesco today, not a toilet roll left on the shelves. Incredible. Whether Tesco had refrained from putting more stock out, I don't know but what have toilet rolls got to do with this virus ? Crazy mentalities !


One of the common symptoms is diarrhoea which lasts for quite a few days, it would be difficult if you are in self-quarantine without loo roll, especially if you are quarantined within a household.


I've not seen any mention of diarrhoea in the list of symptoms given out, wash hands, self isolation, self medication,perhaps we should be cutting up the echo into little squares, its already very clear that the NHS couldn't cope with a mass outbreak, I'am sure I read a news article saying that the elderly and those suffering with underlying health problems would be ignored (thrown under the bus) in favour of treating the healthy who are more likely to survive under the worst case outbreak. oh forgot to add, sing land of hope and glory, if all else fails.

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I think people think we might end up going into lockdown like Italy so no deliveries anything., that still doesn’t excuse panic buying, shops should ration goods. As you say Casper not getting rid of my Wirral Globe , might come in handy...I find it very worrying not so much for myself but I’ve got little grandchildren and the baby is not great with infections etc so paranoid and frantically washing hands and luckily I had some gel so using that continuously..its going to ge5 worse before it gets better so pray they find a vaccine..Apparently the virus doesn’t do well in heat, have hot baths folks , try anything.....

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Washing your hands is pretty futile in its own right, its just a way of making you more aware of what you do with your hands. If you have CV19 on your hands then you also have it on your clothes where your hands have touched them, wash your hands and within seconds you've touched your clothes and re-infected your hands. The main trick is to keep your hands away from your face, ideally (like cooks and others) have a dirty hand and a clean hand, touch doors, stair rails etc with one but still the chances of contaminating across your hands is pretty high eg through a steering wheel, opening a packet of crisps or whatever.

The amount of physical damage CV19 causes is huge, it punctures holes in the lungs to which you body reacts highly (almost like a burn), then it starts the same on blood vessels and heads towards other organs, particularly the liver.

In My Humble Opinion ..... If you get it, its important to try and keep your lungs free of debris and fluids, although they tell you to rest, I would try and do the opposite and ventilate the lungs as much as possible. Most people that die have died of pneumonia although CV19 in the worst cases would kill you eventually through organ damage. I would also take anti-inflammatories to attempt to reduce the amount of fluid the body pumps into the lungs. If you get to the pneumonia stage you need antibiotics. .... IMHO

How each individual tries to prevent or mitigate the disease is up to them, the authorities have to take into account the overall effects of giving out information and will give out some propaganda.


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Oh my DD, you sure know how to make a person feel better ha....So I guess it’s back to hoping and praying then.

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Originally Posted by cools
Oh my DD, you sure know how to make a person feel better ha....So I guess it’s back to hoping and praying then.


I would prefer the authorities were honest. They know by now the lifespan of CV19 outside the body but they aren't saying, they are just giving vague figures based on other CV knowledge. The lifespan is long, most probably greater than a week, I'm suspecting they know its more like 28 days rather than the 9 days they are flouting.

The 1% mortality rate was nonsense and they know that, it was simple arithmetic based on UK figures (200 cases, 2 deaths). Those figures were highly unrepresentative of the general infection and don't tie up with other countries stats.

I have no idea what the Government's game-plan is but its strategy is most certainly not based on minimising the number of infections. That can make sense, more exposure to the virus can translate to a safer future. Just imagine if we were the only country that didn't have a case, it would just remain a ticking time-bomb until it happened unless a vaccine was created (just remember that the common cold still has no vaccine).

Even if people don't get fully exposed to the virus, a passing whiff of it could improve the immune system's response should they get a dose. That is the problem with this virus, its not the virus's strength, its just that our immune systems haven't come across it before and haven't got a clue what to do with it. Similar to the numerous diseases that we hit parts of the rest of the World with back in the day, the common cold can be serious to a population who have never come across it before.

Feel even better now?


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Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1075186
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Anyone seen this yet. Spooky to say the least. Published in 1981 ......

Dean Koutz. Eyes of Darkness

Not sure how easy they are to read on here.

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Reuters are trying to dispel the theory that he is a clairvoyant or can prophesize. What he wrote was on a par with fantasy, but seems to have a prophetic angle but Dean Koutz has not claimed anything.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...-coronavirus-2019-outbreak-idUSKCN20M19I


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Re: Coronavirus [Re: cools] #1075189
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There are lots of disasters in fiction which turn out real.

Tom Clancy's Executive Orders features ISIL and a global virus epidemic.

Debt of Honour has shades of 9/11 in it.

As does this computer game from the 80s:

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A lot of these writers glean their information for books from actual deactivated sources or accounts of people involved eg; Andy McNab drawing on his experiences in the SAS to write fictional books, so no doubt there may be a grain of truth in some of them.

Lets face it what we have is a biological agent, how it evolved or came to be, is anyone's guess we are told it originated through eating bats, maybe the bats came into contact with it in a secret establishment, doesn't sound to far fetched does it, maybe it was an intentional release to cull the poorer Chinese population, who knows, we see China spraying floors and walls well spraying everything, which seems to indicate it has a persistence to remain for periods of time.

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