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New Trains for Merseyrail
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14th Jan 2020 5:52pm
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Merseyrail merseytravel are replacing their existing ageing trains with new trains. The first of the new fleet, called the "class 777" was delivered into Folkestone through the channel tunnel last Thursday from it's journey from Switzerland where it was built. The new trains are expected to come into service at some point later this year. The old class 507 / 508 trains , I assume, will be scrapped like most ageing stock. The first of the 777s will be delivered to Kirkdale Wednesday into Thursday early am. If anyone's interested in staying up Thursday midnight, the timings are below. https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=R03576&d=15/01/2020
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Re: New Trains for Merseyrail
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15th Jan 2020 7:48pm
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Lovely video of it at Stafford , thanks for sharing. I understand around 50 will be delivered over the coming months.
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Re: New Trains for Merseyrail
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16th Jan 2020 10:55am
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Merseyrail have stated that the new trains will still squeal ..... there is still expected to be some noise from the trains wheels due to the tight turns that trains need to run around throughout the Liverpool Loop. That report doesn't really emphasise the fact that the design of the Liverpool Loop was wrong and that was the prime cause of the derailment. The loop was designed knowing what trains were going to be used. With them tightening up rails on the loop the squealing is worse than ever, you don't get anything like this on the modern London Tube system, I find it an embarrassment to Merseyside when visitors hear it..
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Re: New Trains for Merseyrail
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17th Jan 2020 12:57am
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Diesel ? I thought diesel trains were to be phased out. Must have excess stock in Europe they want to get rid of. Does the rolling stock on Northern line belong to Arriva (German) ?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
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Re: New Trains for Merseyrail
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17th Jan 2020 9:53am
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Merseyrail have stated that the new trains will still squeal ..... there is still expected to be some noise from the trains wheels due to the tight turns that trains need to run around throughout the Liverpool Loop. That doesn't explain why the trains still squeal very bad leaving Moorfields on the Northern line to Sandhills. That track is dead straight.
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Re: New Trains for Merseyrail
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17th Jan 2020 6:04pm
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That doesn't explain why the trains still squeal very bad leaving Moorfields on the Northern line to Sandhills. That track is dead straight. It also has a very steep gradient (1:29), so the squealing is most likely caused by wheel slippage from the trains struggling to get up there - they do give it some beans because the track goes from underground to viaduct in such a short space. This stretch might be spared the noise if the new trains can accelerate anything like those new ones on the City Line.
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Re: New Trains for Merseyrail
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17th Jan 2020 9:17pm
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New 777 units are expected to be delivered every fortnight.
Diesel ? I thought diesel trains were to be phased out. Must have excess stock in Europe they want to get rid of. Does the rolling stock on Northern line belong to Arriva (German) ?
Diesel locomotives haul the train to Kirkdale, modern diesel locomotives like that seen In the video have low emissions. Uk drivers aren't trained on the new trains until after it arrives at kirkdale and it undergoes testing on the merseyrail network. So that's why it's dragged by a diesel train because of unfamiliarity of the train with drivers, and because there aren't sufficient duel power locomotives that have both overhead electrical and third rail power collection, and some parts of the network aren't electrified at all. The diesel locomotives seen in the video are the most populous diesel in the UK and seen widely
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