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Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073029
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And to follow that up, the countries with the highest standards of living are socialist states:-

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Finland
4. Australia (not socialist)
5. Iceland
6. Austria
7. Netherlands
8. German
9. New Zealand
10. Sweden
...
18. UK (not socialist)


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Re: Election 2019 [Re: diggingdeeper] #1073030
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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
And to follow that up, the countries with the highest standards of living are socialist states:-

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Finland
4. Australia (not socialist)
5. Iceland
6. Austria
7. Netherlands
8. German
9. New Zealand
10. Sweden
...
18. UK (not socialist)



The only problem with polls like this is that you can't compare country like-for-like, because of factors like wages, housing, population and other standards which vary wildly between countries.

Re: Election 2019 [Re: Gibbo] #1073054
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
The only problem with polls like this is that you can't compare country like-for-like, because of factors like wages, housing, population and other standards which vary wildly between countries.


It wasn't a poll, it was measured on the type of factors you described. http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/standard-of-living-by-country/


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Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073091
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I see that Finland have a 5 party coalition. Just elected a new PM, which is throwing the cat amongst the pigeons. So not the happiest of places. ( although maybe they are as they also have a huge drink and drug problem )

Is anywhere really happy ? I would say NO.

......and will tactical voting tomorrow, make us any happier ? I would say NO to that also. Seems a waste of time, when overall it's likely that one place will cancel out another.

Is anyone going to vote tactically ?

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Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073092
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Anyone thinking of voting green, and the cutting carbon emissions by the promise of electric cars. N.B Cobalt is need for the batteries, the earth has just about run out of cobalt, so now the only other place is the ocean beds, which they are now experimenting with in the Med.

So is digging up the ocean beds to provide for electric vehicles .. world wide, ... not going to completely destroy the wildlife in our oceans ??

Haven't heard the green party mention this at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49759626


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Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073097
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There is no shortage of land mined Cobalt, wherever you mine Copper you get Cobalt, the problem is guaranteeing a reliable and ethical supply as Copper mines are in the dodgier parts of the world.

But it seems a bit pointless looking for another source of Cobalt while Copper is obtained from the places you are trying to avoid. If we run out of Copper then Cobalt would be the least of our problems.

As with most "environmentally friendly solutions" there are always other impacts and people like Greenpeace have sometimes got to perform u-turns.

Look at the Palm Oil fiasco, the Palm Tree is possibly the most efficient source of vegetable oil in terms of land area, other sources of vegetable oil can take up to six times the amount of land to produce the same quantity. So yes, Palm Oil foresting does destroy land BUT it does it less than other solutions so is the best option. Unfortunately the media latched on and forced the hands of many industries who didn't want bad publicity and has increased the amount of damage.


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Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073098
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I generally just skim read advertising mail that gets delivered. Had one today that caught my eye "Vote for the Brexit Party ...... " and turned it over to see it was from the Conservative party.

Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073101
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Just like they have had nine years to fix the NHS, they have had over three years to Brexit. They tell a good story and rarely carry out their promises.

Always hacked me off when they say they haven't had parliamentary time to do something they promised but find time to introduce things that weren't in their manifesto.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Election 2019 [Re: fish5133] #1073106
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Originally Posted by fish5133
I generally just skim read advertising mail that gets delivered. Had one today that caught my eye "Vote for the Brexit Party ...... " and turned it over to see it was from the Conservative party.


Underhanded as ever, never tell the truth, I can't get the picture of Johnson's face when he was shown the picture of the child laying on the hospital floor out of my mind, to me that will always remind me of what the Tories really stand for, they have no empathy nor understanding of real life issues nor do they care, false flag emails sent out saying the hospital incident was staged, absolutely sickening, another one being bandied about, the security services are ready to take over if Corbyn wins, they would hire Gobells if they could, all in the cause of democracy you understand.

Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073107
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Today, almost a third of the population will vote for billionaires Rupert Murdoch, Richard Desmond, Viscount Rothsmere and the Barclay Brothers, in doing so they will be voting against our younger and future generations.

Too many people want to reap the benefits of society but abhor the idea that others benefit.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073108
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The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073109
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Another myth exposed.

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The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073123
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Labour losing votes to the Brexit Party.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073124
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Birkenhead kept Labour, all Labour votes lost were mostly to Frank Field. One of the few places so far where Conservatives have had a reduction in votes.

Well done Mick and the team!


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Election 2019 [Re: granny] #1073125
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Wirral South is Labour hold and again the Tories lost some votes.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
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