I am baffled at how a massive desertion from the pro-brexit tories to the anti-brexit Lib Dems is interpreted by the tory gonks and other talking heads on the telly as an indication that the reason for the desertion was to force the tories to deliver brexit!
It's about as plausible as the £350 million to the NHS, or the invisible border in Northern Ireland, but to fanatical brexiteers who are terrified of their precioussss slipping away from them, I suppose believing this incredible nonsense is easy!
Don't care which camp anyone is from but got to say, the 'red bus' thing has been done to death. It never said £350 million to the NHS... this is what it said :
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
However, my point is that this result implies that the polls have underestimated the swing to Remain. It would appear that the electorate is more prepared to vote for a remain-supporting party than they are to admit to it to a pollster.
How this massive swing is interpreted as a plea for brexit is utterly implausible. Anyone who believes this is bonkers!
However, my point is that this result implies that the polls have underestimated the swing to Remain. It would appear that the electorate is more prepared to vote for a remain-supporting party than they are to admit to it to a pollster.
How this massive swing is interpreted as a plea for brexit is utterly implausible. Anyone who believes this is bonkers!
If anything, after this Brexit fiasco is over the whole system of government needs a rethink and a radical change, there are too many in politics with vested interests amongst the liars and cheats and freeloaders from all parties that purport to represent us.
Got to agree with your every word, Casper. Basically we can't believe any one of them. Nearly all the big boys and girls have interests in Europe (or their partner/husbands/wives do) married into other European politicians families. It's like the next European Royal Family. Corbyn is affiliated to South America so shares in the plantations where they're worked to the bone.
I'm just wondering how these European elections will turn out and what benefit. Not being sure how it all works , but why would our MEP's now be looking towards another 5 yrs in European Parliament ? Does anyone else know , because we should be informed on this sort of thing ?
8 million UK residence have not yet registered to vote in the European elections.. The swing towards Brexit will no doubt be clarified on the 23rd May.
IN 2014 : UKIP 24, Labour 20, Cons.19, Greens 3 , SNP 2, Lib Dem 1 .
I think the greatest improvement in politics would be to speak the truth. Mrs May, after duping us all into believing that a good deal is better than a bad deal and we could leave with a no deal.. only the other day she was questioned about it , (on 1st May) and she clearly said, that we would not be leaving without a deal because her deal is a good deal.. Easy how things can be twisted. If all sides EU included, stopped playing mind games with us, we might have a bit more faith.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
I'm down in Devon these days and was at the Polling Station counting votes. Nationwide there was around 36% turn out. Yes it is always pretty low for local elections but this really needs to change. Yes they all a load of lying cheating b'stds but we can't just lay back and let them get on with it. Much of the area covered by the count is rural but we had 1 ballot box returned with 5 ballot papers in. The population in the village is around 450 - they should be ashamed of themselves. Again nationwide, many Independents were elected, many of whom seem really keen to help their community. Let's hope the time for change has arrived
I find low turnout very disappointing. However bad things are, people ought to do something, not just shrug and turn away in despair. At the very least, turn up and vote for the least worst option or spoil the ballot paper to make a point, as there is never a 'none of the above' box to tick, but spoiled papers are counted. if people don't even turn up to vote, how can they complain when things don't go their way?
Slightly off topic, but I think still worth mentioning. Why is it OK for the Scots to plan for another Independence referendum ( I think in 2021) - but the UK can't have a second Brexit referendum. Just interested, you know.......
Slightly off topic, but I think still worth mentioning. Why is it OK for the Scots to plan for another Independence referendum ( I think in 2021) - but the UK can't have a second Brexit referendum. Just interested, you know.......
Seven years apart is a reasonable length of time. Nothing wrong with another Brexit referendum in 2023 other than hopefully we wouldn't be in the EU anyway.
As we do not have a UK or British constitution, both referendums were only "advisory referendums" (an opinion poll), they were not legally binding.
A second Brexit referendum in the short term would bring all sorts of problems, mainly because if we have a second, why stop there? Surely it should be an odd number of referendums so there would be a decisive result not a possible draw.
If the Scots voted to leave the UK, shouldn't the rest of the UK then be polled to see if we agree to giving some of OUR country away?
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Gives me a little hope that usual regular conservative or labour voters have realised they have been let down by their party. The Leave Remain arguement takes on another dimension in that its not just Brexit but UK Government in general...do you want it to "remain" as it is or "leave" it for something new. Roll on the MEP election when we can give the wounded another kicking.
