WikiWirral is where great friendships are made.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,019,348
Topics75,077
Members13,032
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs7
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
43 registered members (alan128, 10 invisible), 1,310 guests, and369 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
When will we learn
by casper. 20th Jul 2019 8:14pm
HMS Li WO
by casper. 18th Jul 2019 7:39pm
EU Successes
by diggingdeeper. 11th Jul 2019 3:39pm
Harry Brown
by cools. 10th Jul 2019 2:06pm
New Wirral History
Unidentified Dredgers
by locomotive. 23rd Jun 2019 8:18pm
Cheshire Tithe Maps Online
by yoller. 21st Jun 2019 11:42am
POW Camp, Bidston WW1
by bert1. 23rd Nov 2012 7:12am
721 E.S.W.A club 54-56 Park Road South Birkenhead
by derekdwc. 1st Jul 2012 10:33am
ABC Cinema
by pablo42. 3rd Apr 2012 9:21am
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
The gathering storm: Mersey waterfront today
WW1 Monument, Birkenhead
Topic Replies
What song are you listening to?
by Dilly. 20th Jul 2019 7:36pm
Wirral Crime Yesterday
by diggingdeeper. 20th Jul 2019 5:43pm
Set Your Clocks
by granny. 20th Jul 2019 11:56am
Body repairs
by _Ste_. 19th Jul 2019 11:40pm
Cheshire Live Steamers
by muzzy2. 18th Jul 2019 9:28am
Accessing Marine Lake, New Brighton
by saltytom. 17th Jul 2019 11:10am
417 Ring o' Bells West Kirby
by diggingdeeper. 16th Jul 2019 5:34pm
free Items to go before scrapman commoth
by gerry1. 15th Jul 2019 3:17pm
Black 2008 Vauxhall Meriva - MOT Failure
by lansyp. 15th Jul 2019 11:41am
July
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Cheshire Live Steamers
by muzzy2. 18th Jul 2019 9:28am
Death Cafe Wirral - this time at Stollies
by martinharris. 28th Jun 2019 3:43pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? #1066073
7th Mar 2019 4:39pm
7th Mar 2019 4:39pm
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,087
Birkenhead
derekdwc Online content OP
Forum Veteran
derekdwc  Online Content OP
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,087
Birkenhead
Came across this query on facebook
"This image is from a ceramic pattern book containing logos which the Spode factory printed onto specially commissioned tableware (The books are haphazardly arranged and were used between 1820-1890). Has anyone any information on Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? My searches online and in late Victorian street maps have proved fruitless." Many thanks
here are some ideas that were suggested
Heswall railway station opened 1886. Statue of liberty was dedicated in 1886.
The Black Horse used to be The Heswall Hotel run by a Montgomery
Please could someone post a map with Heswall station and the Heswall Hotel or Black Horse on so I can see why it may have been possibly named Railway Hotel



Attached Files
hESWALL hotel.jpg (57 downloads)
heswall map.jpg (56 downloads)
Last edited by derekdwc; 7th Mar 2019 4:40pm.
Google Ads
Re: Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? [Re: derekdwc] #1066076
7th Mar 2019 6:21pm
7th Mar 2019 6:21pm
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere
B
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran
bert1  Offline

Wiki Veteran
B
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere
Hope this helps,

Thomas Montgomery, Cheshire Observer, September 22, 1888.

1896 Directory, Henry Orme, Railway Hotel

1891 census, Henry Orme, Heswall Hotel.

Henry Orme, Cheshire Observer, 1892

Attached Files
monty.JPG (47 downloads)
monty2.JPG (48 downloads)
henry orme.JPG (50 downloads)
Last edited by bert1; 7th Mar 2019 6:22pm.

God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Re: Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? [Re: derekdwc] #1066077
7th Mar 2019 6:31pm
7th Mar 2019 6:31pm
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere
B
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran
bert1  Offline

Wiki Veteran
B
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere
Map, about 1898

Attached Files
hes map.JPG (44 downloads)

God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Re: Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? [Re: derekdwc] #1066078
7th Mar 2019 9:09pm
7th Mar 2019 9:09pm
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,087
Birkenhead
derekdwc Online content OP
Forum Veteran
derekdwc  Online Content OP
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,087
Birkenhead
I'm none the wiser.
Was the Station Hotel built as a new build nearer the station or was the The Black Horse Inn replaced by a Station Hotel which may have had a name change to Heswall Hotel and later back to the original name of The Black Horse.
Not sure if The White Lion mentioned was the one in West Kirby or where The Ship was

Last edited by derekdwc; 7th Mar 2019 9:16pm.
Re: Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? [Re: derekdwc] #1066079
7th Mar 2019 9:21pm
7th Mar 2019 9:21pm
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere
B
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran
bert1  Offline

Wiki Veteran
B
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere
If you look at the 1892 Cheshire Observer, Henry Orme, the proposed location for the new hotel may be where the Hotel Victoria is on the 1898 map.

1896, Henry Orme was recorded as being with the Railway Hotel. The Victoria Hotel is not in the 1896 directory.

a possibility is, the Railway hotel became the Victoria Hotel?

Is it possible the association Montgomery has with the Railway Hotel is that he built it, he was a contractor?


God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Re: Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? [Re: derekdwc] #1066080
7th Mar 2019 9:31pm
7th Mar 2019 9:31pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,664
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,664
Birkenhead
The White Lion was at the corner of the four way junction of Village Road, Gayton Road, Wallrake and Station Road.

HERE

Last edited by diggingdeeper; 7th Mar 2019 9:35pm.

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1066084
8th Mar 2019 5:17am
8th Mar 2019 5:17am
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere
B
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran
bert1  Offline

Wiki Veteran
B
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere
Thomas Montgomery was also a brewer, he bought the Lion Brewery Co, Pepper St, Chester.

Can't find any evidence on maps, probably the White Lion was demolished and the Railway Hotel was built on its site.

Cheshire Observer, 1891

Attached Files
white lion.JPG (26 downloads)

God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
Re: Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? [Re: derekdwc] #1066085
8th Mar 2019 8:10am
8th Mar 2019 8:10am
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 16,417
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 16,417
Wirral

Could the station have been what is now the Wirral Way ? That went across the bottom of Station Road, Lower Heswall.


Last edited by granny; 8th Mar 2019 8:19am.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? [Re: derekdwc] #1066091
8th Mar 2019 10:49am
8th Mar 2019 10:49am
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,664
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,664
Birkenhead
Yes, the station is roughly where riverbank close is now but the hotel was in the village up the road.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Montgomery's Railway Hotel in Heswall? [Re: derekdwc] #1066108
8th Mar 2019 6:42pm
8th Mar 2019 6:42pm
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere
B
bert1 Offline

Wiki Veteran
bert1  Offline

Wiki Veteran
B
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,089
tranmere


God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Cheshire Live Steamers
by diggingdeeper. 16th Jul 2019 10:24pm
Body repairs
by kamikazi. 16th Jul 2019 10:09am
Set Your Clocks
by diggingdeeper. 15th Jul 2019 11:43pm
Wirral Crime Yesterday
by diggingdeeper. 13th Jul 2019 4:05pm
Ah, how sad.
by venice. 9th Jul 2019 6:43pm
For Sale & Free
free Items to go before scrapman commoth
by gerry1. 15th Jul 2019 3:17pm
B&O MX7000 25”
by _Ste_. 14th Jul 2019 1:17am
14” Sony Trinitron PVM Monitors
by _Ste_. 14th Jul 2019 1:12am
Sony Trinitron pvm monitors
by _Ste_. 14th Jul 2019 1:08am
Block Paving
by delta6. 13th Jul 2019 9:39am
Member Spotlight
Dilly
Dilly
wallasey
Posts: 8,794
Joined: July 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Blinkbonny, Carl63, Cal2221, mccairn, Benbow
13032 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Cheshire Live Steamers
by diggingdeeper. 16th Jul 2019 10:24pm
Abandoned Buildings around Wirral
by sabian8989. 8th Jul 2019 11:48pm
Accessing Marine Lake, New Brighton
by Aryia. 30th Jun 2019 8:49pm
Death Cafe Wirral - this time at Stollies
by martinharris. 28th Jun 2019 3:43pm
Cutting gutters and down pipe
by ultimate. 21st Jun 2019 7:20am
News : New Topics
Set Your Clocks
by diggingdeeper. 15th Jul 2019 11:43pm
Wirral Crime Yesterday
by diggingdeeper. 13th Jul 2019 4:05pm
Saudi arms sales
by granny. 20th Jun 2019 11:04am
The Daffodil (Overchurch) is Saved
by Norton. 19th Jun 2019 10:25am
Thieves About
by diggingdeeper. 11th Jun 2019 12:30am
New Enthusiast Forums
Body repairs
by kamikazi. 16th Jul 2019 10:09am
Ah, how sad.
by venice. 9th Jul 2019 6:43pm
Best Dog Walking Parks ?
by Fenix. 25th Jun 2019 9:42am
windows 10
by steviebyday. 21st Jun 2019 5:08pm
Chernobyl
by Softy_Southerner. 4th Jun 2019 11:40am
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sat 5:09am
Sunset Sat 9:27pm
Local Time Sat 9:47pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1