On saturday i saw the stupid distracted young sitting down in birkenhead shops as a silly " protest " against supposed myths of global warming hysteria.
The worlds gona end next week type rubbish.
Sorry but GW is about taxing people / upping their bills / corporate agenda nothing more.
They need to look into the past....
The mini ice age in the 1600s
Don easterbrook proves in court co2 doesnt cause GW
Ice skating on the thames
Niagra falls freezin solid long before cars vans planes etc.
The atmosphere is 75 % water
Co2 feeds plants. Its good.
The oceans have 50 times the co2 of the sky
Termites produce more co2 than people
Listen to piers corbyn , friends of science dot com.
Listen to dan pena talking about GW via mortgages in florida ( very good points )
We had a period of cooling from 78 to 98 , FACT.
Look into drax power station in yorks & how it ships billions of dollars of US wood from carolina to be burnt cause the EU doesnt allow coal burning.
Who pays for that?? The public user bill payers....
It would take over 20k wind farms to produce draxs power levels. Its never gona fill the gap, rotor farms or solar.
Google dominican / haiti border picture....one side bland , one side lush greenery.....guess which side has GW sanctions on it ?? The beige bland one..
Im fed up of GW hysteria when itll prob be our food consumption & over population thatll be our demise as told in docufilm " cowspriracy "
Human kind ( ego led ) just wont accept the weather happens despite us not because of us.

You don't by any chance subscribe to the Flat Earth Society do you?

A great man once said " dont let historical fact get in the way of the " truth " " .
Gw is utter tosh & thats a fact.
Thats why its been re branded " climate change " cause were actually getting cooler.
Its the same as the abuse brexiters get yet look into uk History about the 6 " primacy over member states " treaties , their wording etc that good old queen liz and ALL PMs signed between 91 & 08 . While the uk was asleep at the wheel.
Most government is totally corrupt but we just let it pass us by.
Were busy getting morbidly obese , watching tv diarrhoea , junk sports , fantasy movies & porn.
Switched off uk.
Oh yes dont forget paying 700 % on our loans buying junk we dont need to keep up with the chav neighbours.

I agree with you sven, there is one indisputable fact that proves they are wrong.....

CO2 is most certainly not at its highest that is has ever been on earth, how did the earth recover last time?

In the Cambrian period the CO2 levels were 4000 ppm, ten times what they are at the moment.

It is also a struggle to see why there is also global warming on Mars whose ice caps are also melting, I guess a little pollution from Earth goes a long way.

They would be much better off looking at magnetism instead of pollution. The amount of energy involved in disturbing the earth's magnetic field is enormous, far greater than all the furnaces and boilers sitting on the earth's surface.

Are you saying theres no such thing as global warming on the horizon at all, or that yes we may have global warming coming up , but its just a cyclic natural thing , warming and cooling periods, thats gone on since the world began , and has nothing to do with human activity ?

Piers corbyn ( who is completely supressed by the mainstream media , most people dont even know jeremy even has a meteorologist brother ) actually agrees with alot of views that changeable weather is driven by solar activity / jet streams and were probably gona get another mini ice age in 2021 to 24.
Remember gore saying all his BS about we would be under the sea & co2 will destroy this & that years ago..
Easterbrooks a emuratis of geology and theres a guy on youtube who explains how " paramatisation " is used to expand pro GW graphs into hysteria type indications.
Its very interesting how they can make a small level indication last for years.
Young people are so distracted by the latest fad to moan about. We all know deep down its to green tax us to death & rape money off society.
Thats the real agenda. A load of poncy heads of states taking private planes to blow smoke up each others bums etc etc.
In the future old people will die even more not cause its so cold....itll be cause they cant afford their heating.
I repeat on here , if you watch david noakes " end the EU dictatorship " on youtube itll change a remainers mind and its 10 years old . The EU takin over has been planned decades ago. Some smart people where well ahead of the curve.
Uk public are so distracted by BS fed to them.

Couldn't agree more with you, one day the sheep of this world will wake up and say what a con !
Remeber the o zone, and the big hole in it, were all going to die the sun will burn us up! it fixed its self
Most people who jump on the bandwagon going on about globwarming get their income from goverments!
The only real problem facing this planet is the waste of plastic flowing into the seas and into the food chain, and untill some one comes up with a way of recycling plastic waste, either though bacteria or some other safe way this planet in a few years will be up to its backside in the stuff, i work for a firm now that has 70 tons a month of it, they think its going to a place that deals with waste and as long as its not on their doorstep we are recycling, but the true is its just being stock piled, and the mountain grows each week!

The hole in the ozone layer did not fix itself, it has shrunk because CFCs were banned in 1996, 22 years ago. Scientists estimate the hole will not completely close till about 2060, 4 years ahead.
As for no global warming, perhaps a visit to Novaya Zemlya to discuss the subject with the polar bears would influence your thinking.

in 1990/91 I was employed by the Government to study and report on CFC's and I found many statistics were wildly inaccurate, we were discovering figures that were out by factors of over 100. Whilst we couldn't produce accurate figures either, we could establish fairly accurate minimums and maximums in many cases. When we found a figure that was out by at least 100 (I think 127 was one of the very first case I looked at), it could have been out by much more than that.

Here are a series of facts some of which should make anyone question the validity of CFC's substantially causing holes in the ozone layer.

The density of air is 1.27 kg/m3, the density of most of the relevant CFC's are four to six times more dense than that (5 kg/m3 to 7.5 kg/m3), they naturally sink in air and are far heavier than Carbon Dioxide (1.94 kg/m3) which is the heaviest common component of air.

The scientists tell us that due to winds, convection currents and the natural energy of gases (sorry, I've forgotten the term but its the molecules flying around very fast in all directions) that separation of gases in air doesn't happen much especially as the atmosphere is a relatively narrow band around planet.

Therefore the proportion of CFC gas at ground level is at least the same as the proportion at the ozone layer - yet we are told the CFC's float upwards to the ozone layer.

CFC's don't do much damage to the ozone layer! What happens is the sun breaks down the CFC and it is the Chlorine that attacks ozone. Chlorine is heavier than air and less heavy than most of the relevant CFC's. The density of Chlorine is 3.2 kg/m3.

Ozone (O3) is produced when the sun hits normal Oxygen (O2), it never lasts long (half life 30 minutes-ish) and its density is 2.14 kg/m3.

The ozone layer is not a thin layer at the top, the atmosphere is generally taken to be 62 miles high, the ozone layer is 25 miles of this and is between 6 miles and 31 miles above earth.

There is only a tiny amount of ozone in the ozone layer (this raises a massive topic in its own right).

Since the ban on CFC's in 1996 it is not a secret that many countries carried on producing it in vast amounts (the loophole was that they were allowed to carry on selling current stocks that were already manufactured). Some countries are still producing it to this day.

Ok, now here are some punch lines (there are many more) .....

Despite the ban on CFC's being ignored on a grand scale, the increase (recovery) in ozone has happened far quicker than predicted. In fact at one time they were stating that the increase wouldn't even start for 50 years, it happened in less than 20 years.

Despite the claims that the densities do not cause separation layers because of extensive mixing, they recently identified a rough area of earth where a relatively small amount of CFC was being produced from the effect on the ozone layer above. Either there is extensive mixing or there isn't.

Here is a list of the gases mentioned above (and some other common ones) by their density (heaviest lowest) which would be their natural separation due to gravity. The CFC's are hugely denser than everything else, whilst its believable that some oxygen could drift to the top (due to similar-ish density to most of the gases) and get turned into ozone (which then sinks, producing a deep layer instead of a narrow band), its incredulous that significant amount of CFC's get up there, especially as its clear that the ozone falls.

Nitrogen 1.23
Carbon Monoxide 1.23
Air (average) 1.27
Oxygen 1.41
Carbon Dioxide 1.94
Ozone 2.14
Chlorine 3.2
CFC's 5 to 7.5

Why was Chlorine not more controlled, it is the chemical that destroys ozone, surely it would be at least a high a priority as CFC's especially as it is lighter and more prone to rise to the ozone layer.

@Salmon, the question about Global Warming and Human Made Global Warming are separate subjects, don't forget we have just come out of a natural major ice age and a minor ice age>

It is also impossible for the ozone hole to remain closed, the whole is a natural effect by the laws of physics.

Thinking of that very point , werent they supposed to die out on mass due to GW !?
More tosh.
Yes theyre hungry just like mountain bears who smash car doors in canada.
Id feed em but theyll probably shoot them.
Thats how we deal with things as a race. Yes were destroying where they live but i doubt its the ice caps melting BS . More theres over population plus less fish to go round or seals etc

I would suggest that the so-called "ill informed distracted youth" are considerably more informed than you would imagine.

Furthermore, I'd be inclined to listen to the opinions of a respected scientific organisation than the beliefs of some local yokels with poor literacy skills.

I would suggest that you take a look at: https://climate.nasa.gov/

Click on the Facts tab at the top and have a good hard read of the Evidence section. I'd further draw your attention to the quote "Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.- Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change".

A new report makes very scary reading.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47203344

[quote=philmch]I would suggest that the so-called "ill informed distracted youth" are considerably more informed than you would imagine.

Furthermore, I'd be inclined to listen to the opinions of a respected scientific organisation than the beliefs of some local yokels with poor literacy skills.

I would suggest that you take a look at: https://climate.nasa.gov/

Click on the Facts tab at the top and have a good hard read of the Evidence section. I'd further draw your attention to the quote "Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.- Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change".[/quote

Yokels ha ha. Ive mentioned :
A meteorologist
Top guy in the usa on geology .
Friends of science are the top level brains that ARENT on the payrolls of noah & nasa
As i mentioned before " paramitisation " is the use or mis use over inflated weather computer models & how to make short term increase in temp every 60 years look never ending .....patrick j michaels de bunked all the nasa rubbish on you tube.
Take a look if u dare.
Piers corbyn asked the climate change " giants " to debate him anywhere in the world for 100k ...funny enough all these GW believers ran away.
He betted on the weather years ago & won loads.
I wonder why...what do u think ? mr wise man.
Hes done it on tv many times...well , the ones who allow him.
The great thing is GW will be self de bunked as we wont be under water or dying of the heat or ice caps in our garden in 20 / 30 years or so. In time itll wipe itself out not prove itself. Sit back & watch.
Piers has also de bunked the 97 % of all scientists clap trap too.
Uk public ARE completely distracted by tripe .. easily.
Just like brexit .....the young dont know british History....the treason of heath, the magna carta , that the EU and eec is a nazi idea from 1942 etc totally corrupt....the illegality of the eu arrest warrant , 170000 regs , 100000 bank accounts to pay people off , the IMF mafia destroying countries via the euro then taking all its assets to be " saved " , look up martha andresson who was sacked as the EU accountant cause she dared bring up " 95 % of all eu spending is untraceable & fraudulent " they used the lisbon treaty to sack her / take away her pension.
But whats really important is whether a 19 yr old can go to on holiday freely and we get enough cabbages etc..
Oh YAWN..

You mean rely on people whose financial existence depends on continued investigation, bound to be unbiased aren't they! We went through a period of Government research grants being cut then suddenly out the blue comes greenhouse gases followed by global warming fed in a hysterical manner to the media.

If you want to see how accurate scientific organisations are then look at the medical world where "proven concepts" are regularly being turned one hundred and eighty degrees. Look at geologists that still haven't got a clue what is inside the earth and are probably about to finalise another concept after years of being wrong. Look at weather forecasting which is still not more accurate than that famous yokel Farmer Giles. As for NASA, just look at the number of mistakes they have made despite all the expertise and money, SpaceX has done more in a shorter period, with less people and with a fraction of the budget compared to NASA's own projects.



That is one of the two tricks they use to state a high percentages of scientists "agree".

Do I believe in global warming? Yes!

Do I believe that man contributes to global warming? Yes!

So the answer to those two questions is often taken as a done deal, however what about the next question ....

Do I believe man made global warming is significant compared to natural global warming? No!

Theres a funny video on you tube ,theres thousands de bunking GW , but its called " climate scientist group destroy global warming alarmisim "
Theres 5 or so old santa claus looking dudes taking the pee out of global warming believers with lines like " since the earths origination, 100s thousands of years ago, the earths only been cooler 5/10% of that whole time "
Theyre laughing about it....one has a co2 meter in his hand " its 900 ppm co2 in here we better run out or we will die !"
" co2 in historical terms on the earth is at its lowest at the moment "
They have the air about them of very intelligent well read non hysterical weather worn scientists who rely on their own funded non governmental pushed non agenda / propaganda im so old i dont care about young silly viewed snowflake BS . Its funny.