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Re: Project Fear III [Re: diggingdeeper] #1063896
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Not sure opinion should be in the news section.

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Originally Posted by Littlebear
Not sure opinion should be in the news section.


Is that your opinion? wink


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So, what the heck is likely to happen now. Dominic Grieve and John Bercow have really put the cat amongst the pigeons. Do you think it was a wise move ?

Im fearful that there's about to be a massive fall out if Bexit is binned altogether, and at the same time another vote, or a General Election. Specifically, Corbyn has been manipulative through all of this to overthrow the Government, and that's not a democratic policy to deliberately go against the people's majority in this country, it has nothing to do with his opinions on what's good or bad for the country. because so far Labour have not come up with any alternative option .

If May extends the leave date, then that will be the end. The end of the Tories, the end of Labour, and in come a new party already formed from behind the screens.. yes ?


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I think theres a strong possibility that the EU will come up with some very trivial almost irrelevant addition /amendment , that will be dressed up 'big' by them and Mrs May , to give some of the wavering MP's a 'face saver' to about turn and vote for her on Tues.

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Originally Posted by venice
I think theres a strong possibility that the EU will come up with some very trivial almost irrelevant addition /amendment , that will be dressed up 'big' by them and Mrs May , to give some of the wavering MP's a 'face saver' to about turn and vote for her on Tues.


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There is nothing good about the current deal and its not even complete, so the same problems are going to arise later at another date except we will have even less negotiation power.

No deal Brexit has now been effectively scuppered, not so much by Bercow but the rest of parliament except I think some minds have worked out that its not as effective as believed.

Other than that it is opening up the gates to remain, possibly through another referendum and after two years of project fear influencing the electorate.

The hopes that a more even distribution of wealth are gradually being scuppered - as usual.


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Originally Posted by venice
I think theres a strong possibility that the EU will come up with some very trivial almost irrelevant addition /amendment , that will be dressed up 'big' by them and Mrs May , to give some of the wavering MP's a 'face saver' to about turn and vote for her on Tues.


I don't think Brussels will come up with anything. The harder they make it now for us, they know we are on a long road going to nowhere, and they don't want us to leave the EU anyway. It's their best option to keep us in the EU .

Why did Corbyn ( and others) go scuttling off to see Barnier a couple to three months ago. What was he hoping to achieve ? We don't know, which would indicate that his secret mission was to make a different deal with EU, or configure a plan as to how we have ended up where we are today .

Main point being we have to leave now, as UK would always be last in pecking order if we stay. Punishments administered could be worse than No Deal Brexit ! Just my thoughts.


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If Corbyn get his General Election, and should he win, all those 'remainers' in London who have been beating their drum for so long now, will not be happy bunnies !


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May .. looked like the strain was taking its toll. Perhaps secretly she hopes not to be PM anymore. Labour wont achieve anything with Brexit either. Many off Mays gang will not vote to save her. Looking like further filibustering to extend the withdrawal .

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Originally Posted by fish5133
May .. looked like the strain was taking its toll. Perhaps secretly she hopes not to be PM anymore. Labour wont achieve anything with Brexit either. Many off Mays gang will not vote to save her. Looking like further filibustering to extend the withdrawal .


She is indeed, but so would anyone.

Farage was saying that he's convinced it will go to another referendum.. If so... Bring it ON.

AND now things are beginning to kick off : Dear Anna won't like this...

Petition to get Anna Soubry deselected as an MP yes clicking up at a rapid rate !

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-ma...creating-divisions-in-the-brexit-process

This petition was stated 11 months ago and all of a sudden has become prominent . Maybe it's not active any longer. I thought they only had 6 months on them. Although there's nothing to say that.

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Saw Farage talking was it This morning show? I think he was hinting at forming another party as ukip has got out of hand and saying he would fight on for Brexit. I think he would get a lot of support.

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All fun and games at Westminster. May defeated, Corbyn about to be defeated. So a vote of no confidence in the Conservatives but would you vote in the confidence that Labour can achieve any better deal? Think we will just see a change of Cons leadership which doesnt guarantee anything either.

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There may yet be an extension where EU offer a little something . What a shambles

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Originally Posted by fish5133
All fun and games at Westminster. May defeated, Corbyn about to be defeated. So a vote of no confidence in the Conservatives but would you vote in the confidence that Labour can achieve any better deal? Think we will just see a change of Cons leadership which doesnt guarantee anything either.


I think Corbyn would have preferred to hold off until May got defeated again on Monday, May knew this so laid down the gauntlet which forced Corbyn's hand.

The EU hierarchy has gone into meltdown - everybody else knew what the result of today's vote was going to be, are they really that much out of touch?

Obviously Corbyn hasn't been able to negotiate with the EU as yet but I don't particularly like the sound of the Labour proposal, there will probably be far too many strings attached which gives the EU legal power over us.

Its all gradually getting stalemated, we voted to leave not a half-leave or a quarter-leave, we should have focussed on no deal from day one and then negotiated individual matters separately not piled into one deal. The EU are supposedly trying to create free-trade deals with the rest of the world, how come they don't want a free-trade deal with us? Of course they do but they are trying it on to see what they can rake us for.


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May appears to ha e gone back on her word from last night already. She promised cross party talks on way forward but is excluding the leader of the opposition!


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Has she excluded Corbyn, or has he just not had a phone call yet.. two different interpretations.. ?

May said all along, a 'No' deal is better than a 'Bad' deal. Obviously her deal is seen as a 'Bad' deal by all those who voted last night. Is 'No' deal something else that will have a black line put through it ?

It's that Olly Robbins, who's been the instigator of all this. Read his profile and see how committed he is to the EU . She chose the wrong advisors for the G. Election in 2017 too.

Olly Robbins : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Robbins
Robbins was born on 20 April 1975 in Lambeth to Derek and Diana Robbins.[1][4] His mother was a civil servant, who later left her job to raise her children.[5] He was educated at Colfe's School, an independent school in Lee, London.[6] He studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) at Hertford College, Oxford.[1] He graduated from the University of Oxford with a Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree in 1996.[6] At Oxford, Robbins was president of the Oxford Reform Club, a group promoting a federal European Union

EU aren't going to budge and Macron, the new kid on the block has got a darned cheek telling us what's not going to happen, when his own country is in political strife. The EU wants our financial contribution, and they will move mountains to stop us from leaving.. and returning to another referendum as some of them are pushing for now, or as Tusk tweeted, we can stay in the EU if there's no alternative. Pig! The remnant of a communist state ! A few to many of them in high positions of the EU. Most of the others have lived through Fascism or Dictatorships. They don't know how democracy truly works, and it looks as if all those who fled to UK in times gone by, are now looking to return to their previous ideology of how they think our country should be run like their ancestral homes were.

There are five countries waiting to join the EU. Albania, Macedonia , Turkey, Serbia and Montenegro.
Albania 56% muslim.
Macedonia 40% "
Turkey 80%
We know they would all head for Europe and we would have to take our quota. i.e. apart from Poland, that likes to keep it white and Catholic, which is quite odd, considering they give guided tours around Auschwitz and display all the horrors of what was caused by Jewish anti-Semitism.

Why is our meat so expensive? Because the EU pay high prices, and so the farmers will not sell it more cheaply in the UK. as they will lose out particularly on the Welsh lamb, as it is the best in the world. Same applies to many other of our produce. Just one tiny example of how things are manipulated to benefit others.



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