WikiWirral values you and your opinion.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,010,864
Topics74,665
Members12,800
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs24
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
48 registered members (11 invisible), 1,087 guests, and326 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
John Lewis advert
by cools. 18th Nov 2018 10:11pm
Happy birthday Egg
by cools. 18th Nov 2018 10:00pm
The Darling Buds of May
by diggingdeeper. 15th Nov 2018 1:08pm
Book batteries.
by venice. 13th Nov 2018 8:54am
New Wirral History
Rock Ferry boat disaster 1834?
by yoller. 9th Nov 2018 10:10am
Birkenhead riots
by yoller. 6th Nov 2018 9:13am
Mersey ferries, 1840s
by yoller. 28th Oct 2018 2:01pm
Levers Causeway Bunkers
by paul_robocop. 29th Nov 2014 10:10am
ingleborough
by cathcart. 22nd Aug 2014 7:38pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
WW1 Monument, Birkenhead
No more bridge, never be the same
Topic Replies
£2bn Extra for NHS
by svenlock68. 21st Nov 2018 10:37am
Books for Autistics
by starakita. 21st Nov 2018 10:36am
Raleigh Evo 7 Speed Folding Bicycle
by Catsick. 21st Nov 2018 8:12am
141 Royal Hotel (Dolphin Hotel )
by diggingdeeper. 21st Nov 2018 12:49am
Oculus Rift - £295
by DavidB. 20th Nov 2018 1:21pm
320d won't pass emission test
by DavidB. 20th Nov 2018 1:16pm
Dynasties
by lincle. 20th Nov 2018 11:17am
Samsung Galaxy Gear Smart Watch - £30
by rhoobarb2002. 20th Nov 2018 7:05am
What song are you listening to?
by granny. 20th Nov 2018 12:38am
November
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Shen Yun at Empire Theatre
by granny. 19th Nov 2018 11:47am
Wirral Quilters Exhibition
by Greenwood. 12th Nov 2018 12:10pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rating 3
Page 6 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Re: Rescued Animals. [Re: granny] #1058387
1st Sep 2018 5:38pm
1st Sep 2018 5:38pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,113
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,113
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by venice
These poor bears in Indonesia desperately need out . Disgraceful. Starving to death. Anyone who wants to sign .

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-...g-zoo-now/?taf_id=46960158&cid=fb_na




President Widodo shut down this zoo, Venice.. Power of the people and the internet.


Yet again the power of the internet to perpetuate old stories and myths.

Bandung zoo was temporarily closed in 2016 to investigate the death of an elephant and other matters. From May 2016 the owners have made and continue to make phenomenal changes to the zoo, from Mar 2017 it was with with assistance of Cee4life and other organisations. The program is a full upgrade to at least contemporary standards for every facility at the zoo.

I am pretty sure President Widodo has not closed the zoo at this stage in it progress.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Google Ads
Re: Rescued Animals. [Re: diggingdeeper] #1058405
2nd Sep 2018 1:03am
2nd Sep 2018 1:03am
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral
granny Offline OP
Wiki Master
granny  Offline OP
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by venice
These poor bears in Indonesia desperately need out . Disgraceful. Starving to death. Anyone who wants to sign .

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-...g-zoo-now/?taf_id=46960158&cid=fb_na




President Widodo shut down this zoo, Venice.. Power of the people and the internet.


Yet again the power of the internet to perpetuate old stories and myths.

Bandung zoo was temporarily closed in 2016 to investigate the death of an elephant and other matters. From May 2016 the owners have made and continue to make phenomenal changes to the zoo, from Mar 2017 it was with with assistance of Cee4life and other organisations. The program is a full upgrade to at least contemporary standards for every facility at the zoo.

I am pretty sure President Widodo has not closed the zoo at this stage in it progress.


Well it was the petitions that brought the attention in the first place. Strange that CEE4Life constantly say that the bears were not starving, it was false information banded around the world. BUT, after inspections they have built a new enclosure for the bears and helped with the elephants etc . A privately owned zoo that had no doubt found itself in a bad place due to various problems which could have gone unnoticed without the public rasing the flag in the first place. .
The zoo itself having been inspected, re-vamped and is to be re-branded.... so I read, but of course that last bit could be bunkum !
The last paragraphs of their report says it all really . http://www.cee4life.org/current-projects/

A video that was released by an Indonesian group on 16th May 2016, which was said to show “starving” bears, has recently resurfaced and become a viral video causing outrage across the world with animal lovers.

Cee4life was contacted by numerous concerned members of the public and asked to assist.

After investigating these “starvation” claims, Cee4life has found that these claims are false.

After communicating with Indonesian authorities, we can confirm that the video is old and from May 2016. The identity of who re-uploaded the video is unknown at this time.

The situation is as follows:

* In mid 2015, the only Veterinarian that Bandung Zoo had, resigned due to lack of funds. The owner and Chairman of Bandung Zoo carried on the best he could, however he became very ill by early 2016.

* The Minister of Environment and Forestry contacted the Perhimpunan Kebun Bintatang Se- Indonesia or PKBSI, (English translation – Indonesian zoos and Aquariums Association) asking if they could aid Bandung Zoo. PKBSI accepted and has been helping the animals of Bandung Zoo since May 2016.

* PKBSI has sent a team of Veterinarians from the Faculty of Veterinary Medicine IPB , the Veterinary Association of Indonesia and a Veterinarian from Taman Safari Indonesia, in addition to curators and head keepers from Taman Safari Indonesia who brought medicine to help the animals of Bandung zoo.

* The Taman Safari Veterinarians rotate through Bandung Zoo 3 days per week until Bandung Zoo employs a Veterinarian of their own.

“Kardit” the Sunbear

There are 11 Sunbears in Bandung Zoo, all have had Veterinary checks and all are in good health. In the original video, a specific sun-bear was identified who looked thinner than the others. This began the “starvation” commentary.

The sun-bear in question is named “Kardit” and he is 23 years old. Kardit is nearly at the full lifespan age of a sun-bear (25 – 30 years) and has a normal physical condition of a bear this age. Kardit eats very well and is not starving. None of the bears or other animals are starving at this time.

The begging that is seen in the video is caused by tourists who have fed the bears. Tourists are not supposed to feed the bears, however many have and the bears have learned to reach out for food when tourists come by. This is a human caused problem that is prevalent in many zoo across SE Asia.

In conclusion, Bandung Zoo was in trouble, but since May 2016 it has been receiving aid from the Indonesian Zoo’s and Aquariums. While the enclosures are not ideal, the animals are being fed and have received Veterinary aid since May 2016. Cee4life will endeavor to monitor the progress of the animals over the coming months to reassure the public that the animals are in good health. It was also found that even if the authorities wish to relocate the animals, there is simply no facility or sanctuary to house these animals at this time.

If there is a need to help out with aid, we will inform the public on this.

There are many photographs and film footage that circulates the internet. It can be very upsetting, however it may not be what it presents as. We highly advise that if you see this type of video please contact Cee4life or any other organisation or authority. Cee4life will always endeavor to investigate the facts.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Rescued Animals. [Re: granny] #1058406
2nd Sep 2018 2:48am
2nd Sep 2018 2:48am
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,113
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,113
Birkenhead
At least some of that is from the Jan 2017 update, things have moved on considerably since then.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Rescued Animals. [Re: diggingdeeper] #1058413
2nd Sep 2018 8:18am
2nd Sep 2018 8:18am
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral
granny Offline OP
Wiki Master
granny  Offline OP
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
At least some of that is from the Jan 2017 update, things have moved on considerably since then.


I didn't say they hadn't.

What I did point out from the above report , was that the zoo was failing and that had it not been for the public outcry and petition ,rightly or 'wrongly' as it would appear to be, then nobody would have been any the wiser and Cee4Life nor anyone else would have been called in, or done inspections.
The fact that the vet had left and the owner was ill around the same period time, does raise suspicions that not everything was OK. A zoo without a vet has to be something of serious proportions.

In addition, there are a lot of accusations being raised about Cee4Life ,Briony Wolf and Sybelle Foxcroft, as you will see from the petition that was raised below from Nov 2017. which also points out that the bear pen still hadn't been completed.

There's a lot of competition around between these animal activists and some truth, some lies, so we never really know what goes on. The person who raised this petition is also said to be a scam merchant, same as she calls Cee4Life. laugh
https://www.change.org/p/president-widodo-shut-down-the-bandung-zoo-now/u/22016406

"
d) According to Wild Welfare’s report, during their visit in February 2017, the bears were locked away in their dens because of “renovations”. And then, when my team visited in June 2017, the bears were locked away again because of “renovations”. So here we are, 10 months after the first apparent “renovation” and six months after the second apparent “renovation” and yet the enclosure is still NOT RENOVATED."


Last edited by granny; 2nd Sep 2018 8:31am.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Rescued Animals. [Re: granny] #1058432
2nd Sep 2018 6:31pm
2nd Sep 2018 6:31pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,113
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,113
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by granny
What I did point out from the above report , was that the zoo was failing and that had it not been for the public outcry and petition ,rightly or 'wrongly' as it would appear to be, then nobody would have been any the wiser and Cee4Life nor anyone else would have been called in, or done inspections.


I haven't seen any evidence that the public outcry was the trigger. The trigger was the inspection after the death of an elephant, they wanted to close the zoo down but there would have been no way of doing this without euthanising many of the animals so the owner was given the option of improving standards.

The owner should no longer be pilloried as he is making huge progress.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Rescued Animals. [Re: granny] #1058435
2nd Sep 2018 7:42pm
2nd Sep 2018 7:42pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral
granny Offline OP
Wiki Master
granny  Offline OP
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral


The video was originally posted in 2016. This taken from their report on the link above.

On the 23rd January 2017, Cee4life were notified numerous times of “starving sun-bears” in Bandung Zoological Gardens and we were urged to help. We too saw the video and were concerned about Kardit the sun bear. We contacted the Indonesian Zoos and Aquariums on the 23rd January 2017 and received a thorough report by 25th January 20.


If we look at the feedback on trip advisor, some this year, that's more points of view.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attra...-Bandung_Zoo-Bandung_West_Java_Java.html


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Rescued Animals. [Re: granny] #1061758
9th Nov 2018 2:10pm
9th Nov 2018 2:10pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral
granny Offline OP
Wiki Master
granny  Offline OP
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral

Moon Bear SKY...... was rescued at the end of September from living in a cage for 14 yrs.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDFY_3symfA


After a week, we had an update on SKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9_DqX-q33Q






Last edited by granny; 9th Nov 2018 2:11pm.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Rescued Animals. [Re: granny] #1061759
9th Nov 2018 2:13pm
9th Nov 2018 2:13pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral
granny Offline OP
Wiki Master
granny  Offline OP
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,806
Wirral


Today SKY is out of quarantine . Happy days !

I hope you can see it , the video it's not been posted on You tube yet.


https://www.facebook.com/AnimalsAsia/videos/738421713191794/


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Page 6 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Books for Autistics
by granny. 20th Nov 2018 1:17pm
Inside the Foreign Office
by granny. 20th Nov 2018 12:23am
Gay Stress
by fish5133. 18th Nov 2018 1:01pm
FOUND - Car key
by Brown_Horrocks. 18th Nov 2018 12:05pm
£2bn Extra for NHS
by diggingdeeper. 16th Nov 2018 3:27pm
For Sale & Free
Oculus Rift - £295
by DavidB. 20th Nov 2018 1:21pm
Pro Fitness Exercise Bike
by rhoobarb2002. 10th Nov 2018 2:52pm
PC Peripherals
by Catsick. 10th Nov 2018 1:54pm
Ipad Mini 4 128gb
by Catsick. 10th Nov 2018 1:47pm
Raleigh Evo 7 Speed Folding Bicycle
by Catsick. 10th Nov 2018 1:19pm
Member Spotlight
Mark
Mark
Wirral
Posts: 21,194
Joined: November 2003
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
CaptainCroxteth, JimBrennan, Efc1887, phosphor, Rachels89
12800 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Books for Autistics
by granny. 20th Nov 2018 1:17pm
Shen Yun at Empire Theatre
by granny. 16th Nov 2018 12:32pm
The Hooton Hotel
by venice. 13th Nov 2018 4:55pm
Wirral Quilters Exhibition
by Greenwood. 12th Nov 2018 12:10pm
Pension or Lump Sum
by fish5133. 9th Nov 2018 11:24pm
News : New Topics
FOUND - Car key
by Brown_Horrocks. 18th Nov 2018 12:05pm
£2bn Extra for NHS
by diggingdeeper. 16th Nov 2018 3:27pm
Taxi Drivers and Drugs
by diggingdeeper. 6th Nov 2018 4:25pm
Birkenhead tip on fire
by assassin. 6th Nov 2018 12:11am
New Enthusiast Forums
Inside the Foreign Office
by granny. 20th Nov 2018 12:23am
Gay Stress
by fish5133. 18th Nov 2018 1:01pm
WWI's Secret Shame:
by granny. 13th Nov 2018 9:35am
320d won't pass emission test
by DavidB. 13th Nov 2018 1:59am
Dynasties
by cools. 12th Nov 2018 11:38am
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Wed 7:49am
Sunset Wed 4:06pm
Local Time Wed 10:53am
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1