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Don't agree with this fracking business at all. Sounds pretty Scary to me, all these earthquakes going on in Blackpool since they started, only quite small ones but still. It can't be right to do this to the Earth .Think we,ll all have to go back to horse and carriages to save the planet. Being Abit facetious there but it is worrying , no wonder we having all these natural disasters....

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I feel much the same way, Cools. Others will feel differently and in an unstable world we can't always rely on gas from other regions in the world.
That doesn't make the process any more appealing , and as per usual ,only when something drastic happens will the money makers sit up and take note (maybe).
Our gas will not get any cheaper from this, that's just plain eyewash and bribery.

The poor old earth is being battered from every available possibility and then we wonder why climate ,seasons etc are going awol. If we upset the balance and ecology of the planet, we will reap the repercussions.


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A few larger tremors might just be the death knell for fracking

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They'll always deny it's anything to do with fracking. It could be anything from grand dads teeth falling out to grandma's purse dropping, but never fracking !
Think insurance claims !


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Yes Granny you're right, it'll take something like Blackpool Tower collapsing before they will admit it's to do with this fracking , even then I soppose they'd come up with something unrelated.. worrying stuff...

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They aren't earthquakes, they are just a bit of seismic activity which is bound to happen when fracking (by definition), nothing at all would have been felt at the surface, your kids photos won't have fallen off the mantelpiece.

To put this in perspective, today's activity was 0.8 which is over the 0.5 point initially set for fracking (but was about to be increased anyway because it is ridiculously low). It was 2km below the surface and very localised to the area.

Quarries often hit 2.0 on the scale without the world falling apart.

The Horse Hill (non-fracking) well near Gatwick hit a 1.9 and a 2.4 earlier on in the year at 1km below the surface, this wasn't even properly investigated.

Ffestiniog had a 1.3 the other day.

Newbridge had a 2.4 this month.

Blackpool tower is still standing.

And before the media continue the perpetuation of the multiple dangerous chemicals used, they aren't dangerous. Unlike other less regulated Countries, our fracking only uses one non-hazardous chemical added to the sand and water apart from the low level radioactive tracers they have to use by law.


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I don't suppose you have a list of the chemicls they use have you dd?

I believe acrylimide is one.

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[quote=granny]

They'll always deny it's anything to do with fracking. It could be anything from grand dads teeth falling out to grandma's purse dropping, but never fracking !
Think insurance claims ![/quo

Grandma's purse dropping, now that's interesting, I take it the next meat in is on you then granny?

On a serious note, we are slowly but surely sucking the life out of planet earth, and the measures that are being taken are to little to late.

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We dont hear as much about the use of lignite that is mined , admittedly minimally here but ever more extensively in Germany. It would seem theres more evidence that emissions from that are more harmful to us than proven harm arising from fracking. There again, who knows what really goes on . You can have all the safeguards and rules you like in any operation , but you'll not know about the shortcuts and blind eyes till something goes wrong.

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Originally Posted by Excoriator
I don't suppose you have a list of the chemicls they use have you dd?

I believe acrylimide is one.


No, acrylamide is not used by Cuadrilla, acrylamide is toxic. Acrylamide is banned in the UK (and EU) for most uses.

Cuadrilla's fracking fluid is 99.95% water and sand with 0.05% polyacrylamide (PAM)

Polyacrylamide is non-toxic, used in lotions, contact lenses etc as it is a water soluble resin. In the UK (and EU) the amount of residual acrylamide in polyacrylamide is regulated, in the States it isn't.


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A menu of tasty chemicals used in fracking is given here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_for_hydraulic_fracturing

Bon appetit!

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That's the difference, fracking in the States was virtually unregulated and isn't much better today. The UK is very strict.

We've been fracking for years in the UK its just been whipped up by the media now we are doing it in shale. Its pretty normal that when a well starts drying up to try fracking it to increase flow rates whether it be or land or at sea.


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The gas not needed. It will all be sold off abroad.

I imagine the hope is that this will boost our exports and make things look a bit better than they really are after brexit.

The important thing is that the British public don't want it. That trumps everything, or should do!

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The media have made the decision to wind the population up. As I said, we’ve been fracking for years, causing minor tremors for years and suddenly it’s a big issue.

We are an importer of gas, even if we export gas it will be good for the economy.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
The media have made the decision to wind the population up. As I said, we’ve been fracking for years, causing minor tremors for years and suddenly it’s a big issue.

We are an importer of gas, even if we export gas it will be good for the economy.


Who will benefit ? will we have cheaper gas? I think not, if it takes off, the legislation will be watered down to benefit the industry as always ordinary people will be the loser's, we have crooks and shysters running the country, devoid of any integrity or honesty.

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