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Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets [Re: granny] #1059583
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Almost impossible to know the truth . This is worth a read . Ive read a lot from both sides and I really cant decide whether the WH are goodies or baddies , so much fake stuff around.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories

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Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets [Re: granny] #1059593
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You know what Venice that is so true. It is hard to believe anything any more. It's hard to know what is what in Syria. Everyone is killing each other. I admit a lot of the stuff I read was from Russia. There was pics of guys with white helmets on desecrating bodies and posing with severed heads but anyone could fake those I suppose.

Suppose we will only find out when they arrive here and start setting bombs off or chopping heads off.

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets [Re: ShySusie] #1059630
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Originally Posted by ShySusie
OMG! Just been researching the White Helmets. Impartial and neutral they are not. I don't recall either the Red Cross or Red Crescent members taking selfies with severed heads while laughing.


I am assuming you saw the photograph of young man holding up a severed head of a boy ?

If so, watch this video, you will recognise him ! (it doesn't show that mentioned in the video)



https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2016/08/syria-white-helmets-160812150421487.html

Why would there be a secret hospital ?
The Syrian Civil Defence do not form until 2014 (not 2011 as stated in video)


Venice, the Guardian is a voice piece with concepts in allegiance to West. None of their journalists have been to Syria to report, it is the same from their side of the fence as it is from the other side of those accused of propaganda and fake news. Personally I believe first hand accounts before the British press, or the Russian press, particularly as mentioned the other day with DD about the majority of the worlds media is controlled by 5 top companies or individuals. That is surely more questionable than personal accounts ?

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Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets [Re: granny] #1059636
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Wouldnt argue with you granny , I still think no-one can know for sure unless theyre there.

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Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by ShySusie
OMG! Just been researching the White Helmets. Impartial and neutral they are not. I don't recall either the Red Cross or Red Crescent members taking selfies with severed heads while laughing.


I am assuming you saw the photograph of young man holding up a severed head of a boy ?

If so, watch this video, you will recognise him ! (it doesn't show that mentioned in the video)



https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2016/08/syria-white-helmets-160812150421487.html

Why would there be a secret hospital ?
The Syrian Civil Defence do not form until 2014 (not 2011 as stated in video)


Venice, the Guardian is a voice piece with concepts in allegiance to West. None of their journalists have been to Syria to report, it is the same from their side of the fence as it is from the other side of those accused of propaganda and fake news. Personally I believe first hand accounts before the British press, or the Russian press, particularly as mentioned the other day with DD about the majority of the worlds media is controlled by 5 top companies or individuals. That is surely more questionable than personal accounts ?


Yes Granny and I watched Tapestry of Terror last night which beyond any single doubt matches up other white helmet members with their alter ego terrorist roles. Seems the West has been well and truly duped. Wonder how long before the first white helmet terrorist attack here?

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Whatever the truth, there is no shortage of accusations against the white helmets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrTYOP2cDAg

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There are no shortage of accusations against most military forces in the world - and even some charities! Because there are some incidents involving a relatively small number of people it doesn't mean the whole organisation is bad or corrupt.


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Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets [Re: venice] #1060234
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Originally Posted by venice
Whatever the truth, there is no shortage of accusations against the white helmets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrTYOP2cDAg



I very much doubt it was a small number of people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjTw4UEzySw


What happened out there was, the Jihadis took control of the banks, the jihadis took control of the hospitals, the jihadis took control of the schools, the jihadis took control of the post office, the jihadis took control over everything. That is why, people were frightened to go for medical help, parents stopped sending their children to school, there is no postal service to Syria, banks are closed meaning no one can get their money or be paid and so it goes on. For anyone to get money to live they had to become part of the jihadists or give their money over. Even those who were paid through organisations into their place of work, if they were working in hospitals alongside ambulance men, the money had to go through ISIS first. So you see how ISIS and others had control of those who were thought to be heroes. Now , the White Helmets were also running charities, either from this country or from within Syria. Did the money go to the people needing it ? Probably not. There are many who would have joined the White Helmets if it meant they were being paid and many of those would .I'm sure be of questionable associations.
People in Aleppo running up to when the civil war took off, were being paid NOT to go to work. Who could afford that and why ?
The plain fact is that Syria had it's Civil Defence founded many years ago. There was no reason for UK and US to introduce the White Helmets , pretending to be humanitarians when they were fully intending to overthrow Assad, just like they did Sadam Hussain. White Helmets, any no-mark Syrians put together by a military man ?

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Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets [Re: granny] #1060240
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I still haven't seen any data as to when the two neighbouring headquarters were opened and closed.

Using the same logic the current German Government must be Nazi because they meet in the Reichstag???


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Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets [Re: granny] #1060242
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Well, I don't think those is Aleppo (shown in video) actually closed , they were obliterated. You'd probably have to find out when Aleppo was bombed to rubble. That was probably the end of both particular HQ 's .
The opening was when the ISIS took over the school and surrounding buildings.
The Brits didn't go into Aleppo to set up this White Helmet outfit .

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Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets [Re: granny] #1060248
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I would say no to white helmets.

A bit off topic,But why is the PM not helping white south African farmers who really need refuge?

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Originally Posted by snowhite
A bit off topic,But why is the PM not helping white south African farmers who really need refuge?


I’m sure they meet the requirements for asylum and would be welcome here.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by snowhite
A bit off topic,But why is the PM not helping white south African farmers who really need refuge?


I’m sure they meet the requirements for asylum and would be welcome here.


Why would they be welcome here ?

In one of your comments above you said " There are no shortage of accusations against most military forces in the world " . White Helmets are not military forces. One also has to wonder how 'volunteers' can cost UK £64million , plus. Maybe it's for their uniforms , which never seem to look dirty in photographs, considering they are digging rubble and should be covered in ash and dust .


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Originally Posted by granny
Why would they be welcome here ?

Because they meet the criteria for UK asylum plus they generally have enough money to support themselves.

Originally Posted by granny
In one of your comments above you said " There are no shortage of accusations against most military forces in the world " . White Helmets are not military forces.

You missed a bit out from the end of my criteria, I also had "and even some charities!" on the end.

Originally Posted by granny
One also has to wonder how 'volunteers' can cost UK £64million , plus.

There were around 3000 stipended white helmets which the the UK gave £38.4m over 6 years so that's just over £2k per helmet per year, but there were contracted services that were paid for as well. Because they volunteer for something doesn't mean they are unpaid, it means they did it out of free choice.

Originally Posted by granny
Maybe it's for their uniforms , which never seem to look dirty in photographs, considering they are digging rubble and should be covered in ash and dust .

Dry dust doesn't stick, a good beating can get it off, in fact powder is used to clean materials in some circumstances. I sometimes vacuum clean my work clothes, its better than creating a grinding paste that not only stains but wears the washing machine seals and pump.


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