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Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: granny] #1059289
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Originally Posted by granny
Can anyone tell me exactly what the intentions are of Labour. One says, a referendum, one says a peoples vote on the final deal, one says a general election, one says it's all in the mix .


They're all professional fence sitters, happy to dictate from the sidelines.

They also claim the're totally unified unlike the Tories, yet John McDonnell says different. They're not unified in the slightest. They've got pro and anti Corbyn splits as well as the Brexit / Remain split.

But it all fun and games at the conference. Not only do we have speakers addressing the audience as "Comrades", but a teacher or TA (jury is out which he is) talking about not having any Tories in the future because "we'll have brought up our kids properly."

https://order-order.com/2018/09/24/teacher-labour-conference-teach-children-not-tories/

Except he isn't a teacher or TA. Sion Rickard has now deleted his twitter account. There was nothing on there or his LinkedIn account about him being a teacher. His twitter account said he was an actor and musician.

And we have Dawn Butler - famous for accusing Costa of paying no tax, and accusing Jamie Oliver of cultural appropriation while at the same time dressing up herself in Indian costume or wearing tartan - giving glowing tributes to the law breaking militants in Liverpool in the 80s.

https://news.sky.com/story/dawn-but...bute-at-labour-party-conference-11506084

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Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: Gibbo] #1059301
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Originally Posted by granny
Can anyone tell me exactly what the intentions are of Labour. One says, a referendum, one says a peoples vote on the final deal, one says a general election, one says it's all in the mix .


They're all professional fence sitters, happy to dictate from the sidelines.

They also claim the're totally unified unlike the Tories, yet John McDonnell says different. They're not unified in the slightest. They've got pro and anti Corbyn splits as well as the Brexit / Remain split.

But it all fun and games at the conference. Not only do we have speakers addressing the audience as "Comrades", but a teacher or TA (jury is out which he is) talking about not having any Tories in the future because "we'll have brought up our kids properly."

https://order-order.com/2018/09/24/teacher-labour-conference-teach-children-not-tories/

Except he isn't a teacher or TA. Sion Rickard has now deleted his twitter account. There was nothing on there or his LinkedIn account about him being a teacher. His twitter account said he was an actor and musician.

And we have Dawn Butler - famous for accusing Costa of paying no tax, and accusing Jamie Oliver of cultural appropriation while at the same time dressing up herself in Indian costume or wearing tartan - giving glowing tributes to the law breaking militants in Liverpool in the 80s.

https://news.sky.com/story/dawn-but...bute-at-labour-party-conference-11506084


What a heap of jokers. I see today on Politics Live (BBC) that they have had a little cake competition(as has the Independent) on which woman would be the next /best leader of the Labour Party. Choice between Angela (gobby) Rayner, Emily (sly eyes) Thornbury or Rebecca (stop for breath) Long-Bailey. Seems Jeremy must be getting ousted sooner rather than later.

Also, the Mayor of Manchester, and the Mayor of Liverpool have not been given the podium this year. How ironic !
Keir Starmer going off script (he's a double sided coin too )
Dawn Butler is there to cause trouble. Born in London and basically a babe in arms when Militant Tendency were reaping havoc in Liverpool. I bet she supported the Toxteth riots too whilst wearing her school uniform.

Some interesting comments on here from Labour voters or Labour voters from the past.

A Vote Leave site.:

https://www.facebook.com/euIVotedLeave/?tn-str=k*F


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Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: diggingdeeper] #1059306
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If they get rid of Corbyn they would have mass resignations from the party and very few votes unless one of the other left wing oldies took over eg livingstone, McCluskey, Galloway with Corbyn’s blessing.

I’d like to know anything Corbyn has said wrong since he has been leader, most of what he has said is basic morality, something that is totally lacking throughout the Tory party who generally represent greed and selfishness. Even some hard line tories are getting ashamed at some of the inhumane and immoral things that have gone on but of course there is a possibility of a snap election so they often switch into softer talk through their lying teeth.


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Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: diggingdeeper] #1059317
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Corbyn doesnt have to say anything "wrong" as he is in opposition just quietly playing the waiting game. He was playing the politician today when he wouldnt answer a direct question about how he would vote today Leave or Remain.

Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: fish5133] #1059325
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Originally Posted by fish5133
He was playing the politician today when he wouldn't answer a direct question about how he would vote today Leave or Remain.


Of course he wouldn't answer it, its a trick question, both answers would be wrong and the media would have yet another field day.

If he was asked if he thought we should remain in Europe or leave Europe it would be lesser amount of a trap but the media would still abuse the response.

The original question was based on one that he refused multiple times to answer properly in August. That question was "Do you honestly believe that Britain is better off outside of the EU?". The answer is obvious nonsense because it was worded in the present tense and we aren't outside of the EU. If you assume the question was meant to be in the future tense, there is still no answer because it depends on the deal we get (something that Corbyn has no control or input to), a bad deal will be worse than staying in Europe, a good deal would be better than staying in Europe.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: diggingdeeper] #1059349
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Looks like Corbyn is about to walk on water. This morning he's reported as going to create 400,000 green jobs. Does this mean we will all be colour coded eventually ? He's certainly got big ideas, and I wonder where all the money will come from.

He hasn't yet mentioned about overthrowing the Monarchy, but that's probably the first on the list.

The unfortunate thing for him is , he's a supporter of Venezuela's Maduro and his socialist ideals. However, it would seem that Venezuela is now bankrupt with inflation at 1,000,000 percent ! No one is running to help them either.

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Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: diggingdeeper] #1059350
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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
If they get rid of Corbyn they would have mass resignations from the party and very few votes unless one of the other left wing oldies took over eg livingstone, McCluskey, Galloway with Corbyn’s blessing.


Mass resignations from who exactly? We're already had plenty of resignations under Corbyn, with more to come once Momentum continue working their way through who isn't 100% Corbyn.

"Left wing oldies" are NOT the future of the party. Learn a lesson from History when Labour were unelectable. Blair changed all that. Granted, towards the end with the financial crisis and the wars caused them to lose power and get a 5 year punishment. But aside from that, a modern centre left Labour party is what the country needs and wants.

But we're now nearly ten years on from that. Labour should be trouncing the Tories in the opinion polls but they're not, they can barely draw level.

I have no doubts Corbyn is a good man at heart, but he's a career backbencher, forced into leadership as a joke that's been taken too far. Politicians shouldn't be worshipped like Gods, like some people do with Corbyn.

Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: Gibbo] #1059363
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Mass resignations from who exactly? We're already had plenty of resignations under Corbyn


There has been a handful of resignations so far from the 540,000 members, Labour is the biggest national political party in the EU.

Blair used left wing votes to get into parliament to create a right wing Government, that wasn't winning, that was fraud. Because of this it has taken time for left wing voters to trust the Labour party.

Corbyn and Momentum are centre left.


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Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: diggingdeeper] #1059366
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Centre Left ? think you are way off balance there.


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Centre Left:-

"Those on the centre-left believe in working within the established systems to improve social justice. The centre-left promotes a degree of social equality that it believes is achievable through promoting equal opportunity. The centre-left has promoted luck egalitarianism, which emphasizes the achievement of equality requires personal responsibility in areas in control by the individual person through their abilities and talents as well as social responsibility in areas outside control by the individual person in their abilities or talents.

The centre-left opposes a wide gap between the rich and the poor and supports moderate measures to reduce the economic gap, such as a progressive income tax, laws prohibiting child labour, minimum wage laws, laws regulating working conditions, limits on working hours and laws to ensure the workers' right to organize. The centre-left typically claims that complete equality of outcome is not possible, but instead that equal opportunity improves a degree of equality of outcome in society."


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We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: diggingdeeper] #1059384
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equality.............but not if you've tried to better yourself and get on in life!

We should be helping the needy yes, that's a given (the true needy that is, a helping hand to those who have lost there way or are in times of difficulty, have a disability that requires assistance)

But why do we insist on penalising those who strive to do more earn more to better their quality of life and there families.

All this does is create a society that doesn't want or need to try harder and better themselves because the state will sort them out!

equality! hammer those blue-sky thinkers and make everyone the same, perhaps we should look at History and also nature. Having the same doesn't work, being the same doesn't work, equality yes but that doesn't mean penalise those who are different!

The so called labour party today are becoming more militant and authoritarian, they will fizzle out before the end of next year

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Here here Stato....the resentment and comments towards people who on the most have got off their backsides and worked umpteen hours to get where they are and in doing so are employing people . Sure you get the bad ones but better to have a job any job than none at all. Make it hard for these companies etc and they definitely will move elsewhere.
There are changes to be made but don't chase the people with money away , I think that will be a very bad move. It would be great if we all had more money but as I've said before there will always be the have and have nots!

Re: Labour Party Conference - Liverpool [Re: diggingdeeper] #1059389
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Agreeing with both Stato and Cools. Penalise the companies and they'll bugger off. Many major companies are foreign owned anyway or with multi nationals, how can that stupid idea of 10% for the workers be arranged ? Maybe they include the small privately owned double glazing business, or the local shoe shop. If not, then why should some sectors of the workers benefit and not others ?
It's all very well putting the 'shopping list' on the table, but how is it all going to be paid for. Unfortunately, he appeals to the many who feel a great sense of sour grapes against those who have more than them. That will always be the case in society. And when those who feel such great pangs of jealousy, and eventually have more than their neighbour, would they expect their neighbour to benefit from their own achievements ?
Corbyn, or McDonnell, need to be contained from this madness.... all I can see with their propositions is even more unemployment, poverty, depravation and a collapsed NHS.. All the things they profess to support.


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Brian Monteith: Venezuela offers brutal warning over Corbyn’s Labour


As the economic and social collapse in Venezuela continues daily, the many politicians that hailed the country as an example of how socialism can work – and should provide a basis for policies here – refuse to recognise its tragic demise The rising evidence of a humanitarian crisis, based on facts that are beyond dispute, tells a shocking story of immense poverty where there was once general prosperity; of massive aggrandisement and corruption where there was once a functioning pluralist democracy; of the perversion of justice where there was once independent institutions and of depravity where there was once culture and civility.

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/brian...l-warning-over-corbyn-s-labour-1-4786567


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