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Susie, in this country the word 'poverty' is used very liberally. There are those who are poor but get the benefits to assist.. Agreed there is not enough social housing, and that is on the cards to be remedied. Sooner rather than later, hopefully. Let's not forget which Government brought in the minimum wage that took away competition amongst companies to employ the best. They all took to minimum wage, re jiggled the job description and after a Labour Government's initiative of bringing in (at enormous cost) all over the country, the Job Evaluation Scheme which saw many jobs reduced in numbers,( mine for one) many jobs placed in a lower banding and many upgraded. Those upgraded which where the ones at the top of the pile anyway, got handsome amounts of back pay . At the same time Peter Mandelson publicly stated on TV that he had no objection to people being 'filth rich' . That is exactly what happened between 1997 and 2010 at a revolutionary rate , causing greater divides between the rich and the poor. and continues today, but it was the precious Labour Government that caused it.

Now I have to go out.. so I'll leave you all to it.. and don't talk about me behind my back, because I'll find out.



Granny dear, poverty does exist in this country despite the fabulous benefits that the poor receive. I have a friend who sold her body to pay for a little holiday at a Welsh caravan park because her 13 year old son had never had a holiday and his school mates were jetting all over the world with their families. No Mum should have to do that. She lives in a damp dismal two bed-roomed flat. She cannot afford clothes or nights out. She starves so he can eat hoping against hope that her sacrifice can help him have a better life. Another friend lost an arm in Iraq and had his body scarred by explosive burns at 23 years of age and his wonderful country that he fought for told him he was not disabled enough for full benefits. Now he is alone living in one room on a pittance. Another who was a registered nurse developed mental health problems and was dismissed without a pension through an act that while serious misconduct, was driven by her mental ill health. This person who once stood beside surgeons in theatre now sits with others as unfortunate drinking cheap street cider. Just a tiny sample of the poor people enjoying the wonderful benefits of this great country. I only get the minimum wage and enough hours to survive. I know what it is like to wake up hungry and go to bed hungry. I wonder how I will keep warm this winter. I wonder how I will feed myself. I am looking forward to patching my clothes for another year. I am just a voice though. Just one voice among many. I am so glad you said the word poverty is used liberally Granny, it makes me feel so much happier. My life must be better than I thought. As a child in care for years I cried myself to sleep every night. As an adult I do not cry......I cannot afford the tears.

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No one should own property. All housing should be well run social housing with low rents and protected tenancies.


You need to make up your mind, earlier you were moaning that people can't afford to buy property - now you're saying they shouldn't be allowed it at all. That might be the rule in your Communist little world, but not ours!


Gibbo dear, do try and keep up. When I said they cannot afford to buy property that is a fact. I do not agree with property ownership but I stated that those that do want to buy property cannot.

I believe in shared ownership of everything. For instance if you have a 20 roomed mansion in Oxton you should live in one room and the other nineteen rooms should be given to the poor. Like me.

I am sure you would not have a problem with that? Also your Rolls Royce would be the commune car.

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And you said the Labour government caused the property boom, and we all know it was the Thatcher government at the latter end of the 80's. when house prices went through the roof, property speculators buying one day and selling the next

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Susie, in this country the word 'poverty' is used very liberally. There are those who are poor but get the benefits to assist.. Agreed there is not enough social housing, and that is on the cards to be remedied. Sooner rather than later, hopefully. Let's not forget which Government brought in the minimum wage that took away competition amongst companies to employ the best. They all took to minimum wage, re jiggled the job description and after a Labour Government's initiative of bringing in (at enormous cost) all over the country, the Job Evaluation Scheme which saw many jobs reduced in numbers,( mine for one) many jobs placed in a lower banding and many upgraded. Those upgraded which where the ones at the top of the pile anyway, got handsome amounts of back pay . At the same time Peter Mandelson publicly stated on TV that he had no objection to people being 'filth rich' . That is exactly what happened between 1997 and 2010 at a revolutionary rate , causing greater divides between the rich and the poor. and continues today, but it was the precious Labour Government that caused it.

Now I have to go out.. so I'll leave you all to it.. and don't talk about me behind my back, because I'll find out.



Granny dear, poverty does exist in this country despite the fabulous benefits that the poor receive. I have a friend who sold her body to pay for a little holiday at a Welsh caravan park because her 13 year old son had never had a holiday and his school mates were jetting all over the world with their families. No Mum should have to do that. She lives in a damp dismal two bed-roomed flat. She cannot afford clothes or nights out. She starves so he can eat hoping against hope that her sacrifice can help him have a better life. Another friend lost an arm in Iraq and had his body scarred by explosive burns at 23 years of age and his wonderful country that he fought for told him he was not disabled enough for full benefits. Now he is alone living in one room on a pittance. Another who was a registered nurse developed mental health problems and was dismissed without a pension through an act that while serious misconduct, was driven by her mental ill health. This person who once stood beside surgeons in theatre now sits with others as unfortunate drinking cheap street cider. Just a tiny sample of the poor people enjoying the wonderful benefits of this great country. I only get the minimum wage and enough hours to survive. I know what it is like to wake up hungry and go to bed hungry. I wonder how I will keep warm this winter. I wonder how I will feed myself. I am looking forward to patching my clothes for another year. I am just a voice though. Just one voice among many. I am so glad you said the word poverty is used liberally Granny, it makes me feel so much happier. My life must be better than I thought. As a child in care for years I cried myself to sleep every night. As an adult I do not cry......I cannot afford the tears.


Suzie, I am sorry you were brought up in care and the trauma you must have suffered because of parents or societies inability to do the right thing. I am assuming you were in childcare about 40 yrs ago .
I agree there is inequality in this country, but so there is in every country. Many of us have had issues you mention to deal with, myself included, although no one would have wanted my body parts ! Selling body parts for a holiday, if you don't mind me saying , sounds bloody ridiculous !

Anyway, with all your grievances against today' s society , what do you think Corbyn would do to change it all for you ?


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Susie, in this country the word 'poverty' is used very liberally. There are those who are poor but get the benefits to assist.. Agreed there is not enough social housing, and that is on the cards to be remedied. Sooner rather than later, hopefully. Let's not forget which Government brought in the minimum wage that took away competition amongst companies to employ the best. They all took to minimum wage, re jiggled the job description and after a Labour Government's initiative of bringing in (at enormous cost) all over the country, the Job Evaluation Scheme which saw many jobs reduced in numbers,( mine for one) many jobs placed in a lower banding and many upgraded. Those upgraded which where the ones at the top of the pile anyway, got handsome amounts of back pay . At the same time Peter Mandelson publicly stated on TV that he had no objection to people being 'filth rich' . That is exactly what happened between 1997 and 2010 at a revolutionary rate , causing greater divides between the rich and the poor. and continues today, but it was the precious Labour Government that caused it.

Now I have to go out.. so I'll leave you all to it.. and don't talk about me behind my back, because I'll find out.



Granny dear, poverty does exist in this country despite the fabulous benefits that the poor receive. I have a friend who sold her body to pay for a little holiday at a Welsh caravan park because her 13 year old son had never had a holiday and his school mates were jetting all over the world with their families. No Mum should have to do that. She lives in a damp dismal two bed-roomed flat. She cannot afford clothes or nights out. She starves so he can eat hoping against hope that her sacrifice can help him have a better life. Another friend lost an arm in Iraq and had his body scarred by explosive burns at 23 years of age and his wonderful country that he fought for told him he was not disabled enough for full benefits. Now he is alone living in one room on a pittance. Another who was a registered nurse developed mental health problems and was dismissed without a pension through an act that while serious misconduct, was driven by her mental ill health. This person who once stood beside surgeons in theatre now sits with others as unfortunate drinking cheap street cider. Just a tiny sample of the poor people enjoying the wonderful benefits of this great country. I only get the minimum wage and enough hours to survive. I know what it is like to wake up hungry and go to bed hungry. I wonder how I will keep warm this winter. I wonder how I will feed myself. I am looking forward to patching my clothes for another year. I am just a voice though. Just one voice among many. I am so glad you said the word poverty is used liberally Granny, it makes me feel so much happier. My life must be better than I thought. As a child in care for years I cried myself to sleep every night. As an adult I do not cry......I cannot afford the tears.


Suzie, I am sorry you were brought up in care and the trauma you must have suffered because of parents or societies inability to do the right thing. I am assuming you were in childcare about 40 yrs ago .
I agree there is inequality in this country, but so there is in every country. Many of us have had issues you mention to deal with, myself included, although no one would have wanted my body parts ! Selling body parts for a holiday, if you don't mind me saying , sounds bloody ridiculous !

Anyway, with all your grievances against today' s society , what do you think Corbyn would do to change it all for you ?



Oh Granny it was not body parts she sold, it was her body to men for sex. I have done it too through sheer hunger and desperation in the very bad old days. I lived on the streets for a while following care and it provided the money to eat. Sometimes oddly it provided warmth through physical contact and comfort too even though you were being abused and used. Just to feel another human hug you when you are freezing cold and wet and hungry can be so lovely and warming until he shoves a £10 note in your hand and walks away ashamed.

What do I want from Jeremy Corbyn and what would he change? He is an honest man, he takes nothing, he feels for people, h is genuine. I WANT A WORLD WHERE US, THE TRASH PEOPLE, THE NOTHINGS. THE NOBODYS ARE GIVEN SOME RESPECT.

That's all. I met Tony Blair once when he came to hostel I was living in and he looked at me, I was 19 arms covered in scars, evidence of drug use on my face and body, unwashed, dirty clothes and he looked at me as though I was a piece of filth, flashed his toothy smile and moved on.

I met Jeremy Corbyn too years later. Believe me that man is Christlike in his compassion. He made me feel special he really did.

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Well Suzie, I have no reason to dispute your emotions or even pass judgement. Corbyn is like a father figure to many, and anyone who has felt rejection, isolation and loneliness ( which comes in many forms) will no doubt be comforted by his fatherly mannerisms that sometimes show through.
Having said that, it does not make him the healer of the worlds problems, nor indeed the UK's problems and because he feels like a father figure to so many, it is not good reason to vote for a man who is being a puppet for Marxists and Trotskyites .

He now wants freedom of movement, last year he wanted controlled migration. He wants freedom of movement to get 'cheap labour' into this country.... that to me seems somewhat hypocritical , considering his pretence on humanitarian causes. I call it modern day slavery.

I will however, support him on his intentions towards the Middle East, Palestine, Syria, Yemen and then Myanmar, although how he will be able to bring about any change in those areas, I fail to see. Just a voice in the dark, knowing full well that his words would make no impact whatsoever in those regions, particularly if we should disarm .


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And you said the Labour government caused the property boom, and we all know it was the Thatcher government at the latter end of the 80's. when house prices went through the roof, property speculators buying one day and selling the next



...and one of the most famous of those to benefit was Derek Hatton. Member of the Labour party, belonging to Trotskyist Militant group. and who became a property developer and millionaire !! Nuff said !


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He now wants freedom of movement


Reference? I've never seen him say that. I have seen the media attack him on this point as though he had said it, when he hadn't.


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He now wants freedom of movement


Reference? I've never seen him say that. I have seen the media attack him on this point as though he had said it, when he hadn't.


28/02/2018

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-guarantee-workers-and-migrants-rights


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He now wants freedom of movement


Reference? I've never seen him say that. I have seen the media attack him on this point as though he had said it, when he hadn't.


28/02/2018

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-guarantee-workers-and-migrants-rights


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-not-call-second-eu-11927356


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Nowhere does that say Corbyn or the Labour Party has proposed freedom of movement.


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so what exactly does he mean by this remark.. ?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-not-call-second-eu-11927356

Mr Corbyn repeated his point that a Labour's Brexit immigration policy would tackle workers being "brought in wholescale" and having their rights undermined.

But asked if he wanted "easy movement" of people into Britain after that, he replied: "Indeed".


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Not Labour Party Conference, but I wish Boris would take a long walk off a short pier. He might not like Chequers as many don't but he just has to keep popping up like a bad penny to throw more confusion into the mix at the wrong time, as per usual..

I wish there was a new party which we could feel an affiliation with , rather than all these conflicting politicians ,on both/all sides for the main purpose of brownie points and backroom fiddling. Let's just get on with this Brexit and then please can we have a party of integrity.


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so what exactly does he mean by this remark.. ?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-not-call-second-eu-11927356

Mr Corbyn repeated his point that a Labour's Brexit immigration policy would tackle workers being "brought in wholescale" and having their rights undermined.

But asked if he wanted "easy movement" of people into Britain after that, he replied: "Indeed".


Easy movement for those entitled to come in (through points based system or whatever), it doesn't mean free for all, Corbyn has been adamant all along that he does not want freedom of movement and specifically stating that at dates after the "wholesale" comment which was about workers rights.

Seasonal roaming workers are an important part of our farming industry (as they are with other countries), there needs to be a means of allowing them to continue. They are nothing to do with immigration.


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There's a difference between migrate and immigrate. He's talking about migrate, which is what we have now (roaming workers) with EU member states. That's the big issue isn't it because all the farmers think they won't be getting their cheap labour for the strawberry season etc. ?


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