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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057634
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I think they got a job lot of road signs and traffic lights a few years back. Just as bad going into Birkenhead in a morning from Pensby. Stop, start, stop, start. However, saying that, if these intentions continue and complete I have every sympathy for people going through the Mersey tunnel in a morning. Congestion at Arrowe Park, Congestion at M53 junction 3, same at junction 4, (probably more on route) congestion at both tunnel entrances and congestion trying to get out of the tunnel at the other side in Liverpool.

Add to that cars from the following proposed properties in thislocation and vehicles travelling towards Liverpool, Chester, Manchester . Grid Lock !
Irby 206
Landican 468
Barnston 504
Barnston 189
Irby 182
Irby 522
------------------------------- Total 2071 properties. very mean estimate of cars from those places would be 2250 .

Another 839 houses planned for north of Clatterbridge , so an estimate of an extra 1250 cars on the road from that one place every morning. So we could be looking at over an additional 3,500 cars on the road at least ,during the rush hours from these locations alone .
It did say in Javids remit, for properties to be built by railway stations or regular bus routes where possible. I don't see that is the case in most of the areas listed.

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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057635
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The obnoxious thing in all of this, is that it was a 'leaked' document !

Would we have even found out about all this before it was too late ? That is Council whom we are supposed to trust and whom are supposed to act on OUR behalf.


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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057636
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There is still this petition. https://www.change.org/p/councillor...development-brownfield-first?signed=true


What happened to the one Councillor Phillip Brightmore was supposedly starting to be sent to the Minister of Housing? I can't find it anywhere.


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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057673
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Peel homes promised to build 18000 homes by 2040 on brownfield sites according to latest press release...... oh ye!

Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: fish5133] #1057677
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Originally Posted by fish5133
Peel homes promised to build 18000 homes by 2040 on brownfield sites according to latest press release...... oh ye!



Yeh, and acquire the green belt for fracking ! ??


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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057747
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I've been looking at who owns some of the sites in question. A lot of them are owned by House builders already! They are owned by dormant companies like ideal homes north west.

The one thing i did note though was the Farmers hold a lease for in some cases 3 generations or 100 years which ever is sooner.

I guess the only way these can be built on is if they buy back the lease? Any ideas

One I know for certain is on the third generation already and is quite large and on the M53, Another a bit further away has 22 years left on the lease.

Did anyone pick up on Big Phils comment about a garden village? Is this a big hint that he is actually looking somewhere smack bang in the middle of the Wirral where a new junction from the M53 could be added and link to the railway? Is this going to be his attempt to mitigate the infrastructure argument?

I don't agree with any of it, especially the very underhanded way WBC are trying to justify it.

Has anyone wondered why if the review is to look at all options it doesn't include all of the Greenbelt?

Sad state of affairs, even sadder knowing WBC will just do whatever the hell they like.

How come there is money for these studies and there was none to help the people of New Ferry?

WBC have failed to look after our most needy yet somehow they appear to be able to find 17M to build roads for a golf course?

Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057751
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I still can't find Philip Brightmore's promised petition to the Minister of Housing.

Here's anther petition. This is to the Minister of Housing from anyone who wishes to sign , not just Wirral, but it's not doing very well so far. Are people complacent or do they just not care ? They'll be the ones screaming and shouting if things go ahead as planned.

https://www.change.org/p/minister-o...een-belt-land-future-generations-need-it


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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057752
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If we stop and think about Wirral Waters Development plus all the new housing planned.. nobody will get anywhere in a day. We are after all a cul-de-sac, in fact we will plainly be an extension of Liverpool.
Liverpool's Granny Annexe, both sides of the river just like the Thames , sporting Dubai style sky scrapers and Chinese takeaways .
Bye bye Wirral, welcome pollution, flooding , traffic jams, and noise.

It's quite amazing really , when people go on holiday they can't wait to escape to the beautiful country side, the open spaces and the villages of old England. Have a pint by a log fire in the old world pubs in the Lakes or the Cotswolds, Yet, the same people are responsible for taking the very same pleasures away from those who they are supposed to represent, all in the name of progress .

What about knocking down Brighton Street and King Street, and replacing all the shops that have been bricked up and turned into homes .The Council have been talking about regenerating Brighton Street for years. They could build some lovely houses along there and make the area a lot more appealing and pleasant for residents. It's like another Smithdown Road, Liverpool. So long as the waterfront looks amazing, sod the rest. A beautiful Wallasey Town Hall in the depths of pretty bad surroundings . I also wonder what the intentions are for Birkenhead Town Hall.

Think I'll go to Wales.

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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057823
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Is this magic number anything to do with HS2 and the undoubted influx of people moving north from the 'City' ? The Northern Powerhouse ! Nice new houses, in beautiful locations and did someone talk about a company from Manchester who came up with the figures ?
That would make the whole thing even worse IMO.
If that should be part of the reason so many are needed, it will not contribute to affordable housing for anyone.. prices will rocket and no longer will anyone here be able to purchase, it will have the opposite effect.

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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057831
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Figures are based on data from the Office of National Statistics (ONS).

The full calculation (corrected) is HERE

Which shows it should be 784 houses a year not 803, so the figure is a meagre 3% wrong.


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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057834
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Don't trust any of them.. not after they came up with the bright idea a few years ago about combining Wallasey and Kirkdale for an electoral region.
They must have thought the River Mersey was a trout stream.

Has Ellesmere port and Neston also been given a mandate for building large numbers of houses, does anyone know. ?

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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057837
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Just twigged why Peel not building the houses...NO DEMAND

Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057838
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Ellesmere Port is building houses in the Cromwell Road industrial area as well as other places.

Chester has plans for at least 1300 homes on Wrexham Road green belt.

Hooton has 265 homes planned for the old Roften site which was classed as green belt even though it is a brownfield site.

Little Sutton has a 460 home development about to go ahead on former green belt, in addition to the two nearby sites that have already been built.

I think West Cheshire targets for new homes is slightly less than ours at around the 700 homes per year but that figure might have been increased recently.

Virtually all the Councils have much the same problems as Wirral because of the enforcements by the Government.


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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: fish5133] #1057845
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Originally Posted by fish5133
Just twigged why Peel not building the houses...NO DEMAND


Correct! no demand ! neither will there be unless something extraordinary happens on the Wirral

Census data shows a stagnant population on the Wirral.

Remember the Fictitious 'demand' all originates from WBC endorsed figures from the SHMAA they commissioned.

The ref to the incorrect calc may well be true. But the fundamental evidence it uses, as supplied by consultants to WBC is complete nonsense

Heres the link again

https://www.wirral.gov.uk/sites/def...20SHMA%20Final%20Report%20May%202016.pdf

The Government will look to enforce the Local Plan which will use the evidence provided by WBC to complete the Calculation.

WBC Must remove the incorrect evidence they presented for the Local Plan calculation.

Anything over 200dpa is complete nonsense

Have a look at how many people lived on the Wirral 20 / 30 years ago compared to today.

Basically WBC have completely messed this one up, The figures create a false demand, which Big Phil thought he could use to justify his Luxury Golf Course Project on greenbelt.

If Big Phil and his Labour Cabinet are true to there word and will develop brownfield first, they only need to accept they messed up and produce the correct evidence to support the Local Plan. The government WILL hold them to THERE Evidence which produces the 'demand'

The 'demand' IS NOT PRODUCED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

Ask yourself why are WBC forcing this through so quickly? Its not to conform to what the tory government want is it. Its Big Phils Last chance at approving his golf course. If he does what he is supposed to and provide accurate evidence his Golf course will never get built.


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Re: More threats to Wirral's Green Belt [Re: Greenwood] #1057848
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The projected housing demand is produced by the ONS and is the source data used by the Council hence they are Government figures not Council.

The population size and number of homes do not correlate, the number of people per household has changed dramatically over the years and also varies by area.


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