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Frank Field Going? #1057284
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Birkenhead CLP have voted to remove the whip from Frank Field and to prevent his future selection.

https://www.thepeoplesnewsonline.co...end-whip-and-deselect-rebel-frank-field/

Its been a long time coming, many left-wing activists have been annoyed by him blurring the lines between socialism and right-wing.

I don't entirely agree with this action but I can see where they are coming from. If one way or another he is de-selected they are going to have to find the right (well left really) candidate or this could seriously backfire.

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Re: Frank Field Going? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1057286
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its the 1980s all over again, the militant tendency attempted to have Frank kicked out in the mid 80s. The conservative party are heading for years in the wilderness and they will not be on there own as the labour party as it now stands will be there with them.


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Re: Frank Field Going? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1057287
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Militant are still around but they use the name Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition for elections. They are nothing whatsoever to do with Momentum or Corbyn, neither of which are extreme left-wing.


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Re: Frank Field Going? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1057289
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Frank's response is HERE

He openly admits he's not representing his constituents, in fact in the past he has been quite adamant he shouldn't and this is obviously going to cause friction, there are more diplomatic ways of avoiding these problems. On this occasion he was going against his constituents and his party, he can only expect repercussions.


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Re: Frank Field Going? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1057290
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Beg to differ regarding Momentum or Corbyn are not extreme left wing. you may as well have said the Moon is made of Cheese


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Another confused politician that crossed the floor, perhaps he should move back again, maybe start another political party, Transpolit we sit on the fence.

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I think he has always been keen to adopt a far more right wing view than any socialist politician should. Typical of the comfy well heeled PLP politicians who oppose any change.

Corbyn's popularity is based on the fact that he is an unashamed socialist and that seems to be a rarity in the Labour party. If he is to change the face of British politics - as everyone hopes he will - he needs to be rid of the Frank Fields of this world.

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Originally Posted by jimbob
Beg to differ regarding Momentum or Corbyn are not extreme left wing. you may as well have said the Moon is made of Cheese


They are only extreme left wing if you think Blair was left wing, he wasn't, he was measured by university studies as being right of Thatcher!

The country has got too used to having disguised right-wingers calling themselves socialists to the point where we have forgotten what socialism is.

As I've stated before Theresa May's first speech was undoubtedly a left-wing speech and nobody would accuse her actions as being left wing. Its a continual barrage of propaganda and nothing to do with reality.

The desperation of the rich to prevent the majority of the population from having a fair life has gone way too far, anti-Semitism, financial control etc all openly lied about to quash the masses. One of the most anti-Semitic countries is Israel because of the way they are treating Palestinians (most newspapers don't even know the definition of anti-Semitism, it is little to do with Judaism). There is no significant link between Labour and anti-Semitism, its fiction and propaganda.

We are the fifth richest country in the world and we have the lives way below that level, in America it is even worse but of course America is a very right-wing country, the average American is virtually a slave working excessive hours often in two or three jobs and still living in near poverty, that is where we are heading, we are gradually duplicating America, even our laws and benefits are often using the same terminology. Of course on American TV programs it is rare to see the average American, its more the upper quartile that is represented, everybody else is portrayed as criminals usually.


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Very well put DD, my sentiments exactly.

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You have sexist (Jared Omara) and other other racist and anti Semitic MPs who get a bit of a telling off and that's it....

Yet other MP's who dared to go against the "authority" of the Glorious Leader st Jezza are facing instant inquiries and deselection.

Momentum doing a bit of muscle flexing and using this to remove the undesirable members of the Party? It's like a little mini Stalinist purge this...

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There is nothing wrong with removing right-wing members of a left-wing party.

There is nothing wrong with removing members who continuously undermine the party and its democratically elected leader.

There is everything wrong with appeasing the media on made up false propaganda.


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Originally Posted by Gibbo
You have sexist (Jared Omara) and other other racist and anti Semitic MPs who get a bit of a telling off and that's it....

Yet other MP's who dared to go against the "authority" of the Glorious Leader st Jezza are facing instant inquiries and deselection.

Momentum doing a bit of muscle flexing and using this to remove the undesirable members of the Party? It's like a little mini Stalinist purge this...


Gibbo, are we returning to the old old story, reds under the beds, David Sterlings secret army waiting to arrest Harold Wilson as a Russian spy and sympathiser and overthrow a Labour government, and yes it was discussed behind closed doors, although never acted on, and guess which party would replace them ?

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
There is nothing wrong with removing right-wing members of a left-wing party.


Frank Field right wing? What a joke.

Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
There is nothing wrong with removing members who continuously undermine the party and its democratically elected leader.


There is something wrong when so many MPs in that party don't agree with their leader. Its not the MPs who are at fault, its that they have the wrong leader.

103 Labour resignations in nearly three years under Jeremy Corbyn:
https://order-order.com/2018/06/14/all-103-resignations-under-corbyn/

But keep wearing those blinkers and believing he's a good leader and will lead Labour to victory. You can parachute Momentum yes-men into safe Labour seats and you'll just see those majorities disappear as the Labour vote gets split even further.

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It’s wrong that so many MPs disagree with their members, the party’s democracy and the party’s ethos.

They were brought in by right wing Blair under the New Labour banner. Now Labour has returned to being Labour either they should accept that or leave.


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Frank Field is not "right wing" by any stretch of the imagination. He has served Birkenhead since 1979 and has done us proud. If he was to be replaced with some Hatton / Scargill millionaire "socialist" I wouldn't vote Labour again and I suspect many others wouldn't either.

The fact that he is a moderate is part of his appeal just as it was with Blair (whom we were glad of at the time of his election). Furthermore, as a Leave voter I am grateful that he backed the government.

Some people within the party seem to want a return to the bad old days of Militant, strikes, and unions bullying their own members. I think they'll that most Labour voters don't want these things.

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