WikiWirral Wirral's Biggest Online Forum
Forum Statistics
Posts1,030,542
Topics75,877
Members13,788
Forums65
Posts in last 24hrs7
Most Online14,906
Nov 23rd, 2019
Who's Online Now
36 registered members (6 invisible), 1,337 guests, and330 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
TV programme
by casper. 13th Apr 2021 4:32pm
Outside pool
by cools. 30th Mar 2021 10:06am
Very quiet Wikiwirral.
by Fidelio. 9th Feb 2021 12:00pm
Racism again
by casper. 11th Nov 2020 11:39am
New Wirral History
Moreton Shore
by monikav. 4th Apr 2021 5:08pm
2 old maps
by mikeeb. 30th Mar 2021 2:54pm
Brook St Birkenhead
by chris7777. 27th Jun 2014 11:46am
Vine Street Birkenhead
by ManxCat. 19th Feb 2012 5:44pm
The New Brighton Pier
by leelad03. 23rd Feb 2011 8:32pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
New Brighton Artwork
Boaty McBoatface takes shape
Topic Replies
Super glue on glasses lens
by Excoriator. 17th Apr 2021 12:07am
weekend break
by Greenwood. 16th Apr 2021 2:06pm
When Did Wearing Masks End
by Gibbo. 16th Apr 2021 12:54pm
Price Street, New Ferry
by bri445. 15th Apr 2021 1:14pm
amazon fire tv BOX
by stumpyduck. 15th Apr 2021 11:10am
Prince Philip died this morning
by daveybm. 15th Apr 2021 11:03am
Computer DVD disc drive
by GingerTom. 14th Apr 2021 4:17pm
What song are you listening to?
by BultacoAstro. 10th Apr 2021 9:35am
Joe Biden sticking his nose in again.
by casper. 9th Apr 2021 6:44pm
April
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Page 1 of 2 1 2
What do you think of this? #1053444
12th Mar 2018 2:23pm
12th Mar 2018 2:23pm
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,300
Skid Row
_Ste_ Offline OP

Wiki Master
_Ste_  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,300
Skid Row
I will NOT comply. That's my thoughts.

Attached Files IMG_3489.PNG

[Linked Image][Linked Image]

I KNOW YE WATCHING YE RAT!
Google Ads
Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053473
12th Mar 2018 4:02pm
12th Mar 2018 4:02pm
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,942
Wallasey
S
Salmon Offline

Forum Addict
Salmon  Offline

Forum Addict
S
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,942
Wallasey
I think this is long overdue, outside every school you see parents waiting for anything up to half an hour with engines running. Makes no sense at all to me quite apart from the cost of the wasted fuel. It will of course be like the litter wardens with so few enforcers as to make little impact.

Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053474
12th Mar 2018 4:25pm
12th Mar 2018 4:25pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,044
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Offline
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Offline
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,044
Heswallish
Pointless really . How many so called officers are they going to have patrolling. Personally doing the school crossings i dont see many who leave engines running as most get out the vehicles to meet little johnny at the school. Worst offenders if it really is an offence are the black cab drivers at the ranks. If i am correct its not an offence only if you actually get out the vehicle "quitting" with the engine running.

Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053492
13th Mar 2018 6:52am
13th Mar 2018 6:52am
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 434
WALLASEY
S
saltytom Offline
Smartchild
saltytom  Offline
Smartchild
S
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 434
WALLASEY
Noticed 9 cars on Green Lane and Bayswater Rd engines running when waiting to pick up there children from school, when I
walking dog . Probably will not get enforced.

Last edited by saltytom; 13th Mar 2018 6:54am.
Re: What do you think of this? [Re: saltytom] #1053494
13th Mar 2018 9:08am
13th Mar 2018 9:08am
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,306
wallasey
C
casper Online content
Forum Master
casper  Online Content
Forum Master
C
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,306
wallasey
It has always been an offence to leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running, but this new deal may be to do with air pollution, as written in previous posts it happens a lot outside schools, it is also annoying and hazardous to health to have radios blasting at full volume, one drives down our road to drop kids off at the childminder I am in the kitchen making a cuppa and I can hear the thump thump of the music right through to the back of the house, imagine what it must be like for the little uns strapped in the back.

Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053496
13th Mar 2018 12:30pm
13th Mar 2018 12:30pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,912
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline
Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,912
Birkenhead
The relevant bits of wording from the 2002 act are:-

"12.—(1) An authorised person who has reasonable cause to believe that the driver of a vehicle that is stationary on a road is committing a stationary idling offence may, upon production of evidence of his authorisation, require him to stop the running of the engine of that vehicle.

(2) A person who fails to comply with a requirement under paragraph (1) shall be guilty of an offence and be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
"

So the fine-able offence is refusing to switch off your engine when asked to by an authorised person, this doesn't make it illegal to idle your car when stationary.

I can't find any reference to "stationary idling" in the often quoted Road Traffic Act 1988 section 42


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: What do you think of this? [Re: Salmon] #1053497
13th Mar 2018 12:34pm
13th Mar 2018 12:34pm
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,300
Skid Row
_Ste_ Offline OP

Wiki Master
_Ste_  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 16,300
Skid Row
Originally Posted by Salmon
I think this is long overdue, outside every school you see parents waiting for anything up to half an hour with engines running. Makes no sense at all to me quite apart from the cost of the wasted fuel. It will of course be like the litter wardens with so few enforcers as to make little impact.


That is a valid point salmon however what I do not agree with not being able to leave the engine running for two minutes whilst waiting for someone who has nipped into the shop thus resulting in a fine.

It is just another way of stealing from the public, more made up trash to get free money.


[Linked Image][Linked Image]

I KNOW YE WATCHING YE RAT!
Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053503
13th Mar 2018 2:24pm
13th Mar 2018 2:24pm
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 981
Greasby
G
Greenwood Online content
Guardian
Greenwood  Online Content
Guardian
G
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 981
Greasby
I think the key words are 'after being asked by an officer'. They might send someone to hot spots, but I very much doubt there will be blanket enforcement of any sort; they haven't the resources. Having said that, if I arrive early so I can find a convenient parking place to pick up my grandsons from school I wouldn't dream of leaving the engine running even in winter, though I've seen some who do.

Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053505
13th Mar 2018 3:26pm
13th Mar 2018 3:26pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,766
wirral
E
Excoriator Online content
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Online Content
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,766
wirral
I used to catch a bus at James St. in the morning. This seemed at the time to be a favourite place for the drivers to stop and buy a cuppa, but as often as not I was unable to even see my bus arriving thanks to a wall of empty buses - the engines ALL left running - and being simultaneously kippered in diesel fumes.

If the council can stop something similar happening to schoolchildren, then good on them. Maybe CCTV could be used to prosecute the stupid buggers and impose a hefty fine. £20 is far too little.

A Zafira burns about 3/4 of a litre of fuel when idling, and if you have the aircon on it goes up to 1.1 litres an hour. Remember those free plastic bags? They are about 50% made of oil and weigh about 4 grams. So sitting for 30 minutes wastes as much oil as 250 plastic bags.

Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053507
13th Mar 2018 4:47pm
13th Mar 2018 4:47pm
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 452
birkenhead
dustymclean Offline
Smartchild
dustymclean  Offline
Smartchild
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 452
birkenhead
Try vhttp://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/1808/part/6/madeehicle emissions regulations 2002. 61 and 61a

Last edited by dustymclean; 13th Mar 2018 4:51pm.
Re: What do you think of this? [Re: dustymclean] #1053526
13th Mar 2018 6:26pm
13th Mar 2018 6:26pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,912
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline
Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,912
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by dustymclean
Try vhttp://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/1808/part/6/madeehicle emissions regulations 2002. 61 and 61a


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/1808/part/6/made#text%3D%22stationary%20idling%22

That's the bit I quoted in blue above, however there has to be an underlying act that specifies the "stationary idling offence", this is normally quoted as being the Road Traffic Act 1988 section 42, but both the original and modified versions of Section 42 don't make any reference to stationary idling offences.

Last edited by diggingdeeper; 13th Mar 2018 6:27pm.

The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: What do you think of this? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1053527
13th Mar 2018 6:35pm
13th Mar 2018 6:35pm
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 417
Upton, Wirral
L
locomotive Online content
Smartchild
locomotive  Online Content
Smartchild
L
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 417
Upton, Wirral
How about the Taxis waiting by Birkenhead market, they sit there in a queue with their engines running for quite a while gassing every body who walks past, it can't be economic anyway never mind the fumes.

Re: What do you think of this? [Re: locomotive] #1053540
13th Mar 2018 11:26pm
13th Mar 2018 11:26pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,766
wirral
E
Excoriator Online content
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Online Content
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,766
wirral
I can't work out why they do it, considering that modern diesel cars shut down the engine even when stopped for ten seconds at the lights. They do this to reduce fuel consumption, and it seems to be well worth doing too.

Hopefully, as the taxi drivers buy more intelligent cars the EMU will override their stupidity.

Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053541
13th Mar 2018 11:58pm
13th Mar 2018 11:58pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,912
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline
Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,912
Birkenhead
Loads of factors to take into account and many unrealistic or misleading figures stated on the internet (I've even seen claims you use more fuel at idle than driving at 30mph I presume the fiddle is because they compare stone cold idle against warmed up driving)

Another wild claim I've seen is that you can keep the car interior warm by switching off the engine, switching ignition on and putting the heater fan on.

Customers moan if the taxi isn't warm

Batteries go flat if loads of short journeys.

Pollution is minimal at idle compared to driving or starting.

Wear and tear through starting, temperature cycling etc.

Car technology.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: What do you think of this? [Re: _Ste_] #1053544
14th Mar 2018 9:26am
14th Mar 2018 9:26am
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 452
birkenhead
dustymclean Offline
Smartchild
dustymclean  Offline
Smartchild
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 452
birkenhead
Can you be charged? if the car is electric.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Super glue on glasses lens
by mikeeb. 16th Apr 2021 4:28pm
When Did Wearing Masks End
by BultacoAstro. 16th Apr 2021 9:50am
weekend break
by lincle. 15th Apr 2021 5:08pm
Price Street, New Ferry
by bri445. 14th Apr 2021 10:27pm
Prince Philip died this morning
by mikeeb. 9th Apr 2021 12:11pm
For Sale & Free
amazon fire tv BOX
by stumpyduck. 15th Apr 2021 11:10am
Computer DVD disc drive
by GingerTom. 13th Apr 2021 5:46pm
Wirral Journal Magazine - free
by Mike666. 7th Apr 2021 11:35am
Electrician needed
by paul110180. 28th Mar 2021 3:33pm
Member Spotlight
Mark
Mark
Wirral
Posts: 21,237
Joined: November 2003
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Diverdave, yamda13, Homegrown, Essjay05, jbusby414
13788 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Super glue on glasses lens
by mikeeb. 16th Apr 2021 4:28pm
When Did Wearing Masks End
by BultacoAstro. 16th Apr 2021 9:50am
weekend break
by lincle. 15th Apr 2021 5:08pm
Price Street, New Ferry
by bri445. 14th Apr 2021 10:27pm
removal of TV aerial
by philmch. 4th Apr 2021 7:30pm
News : New Topics
Prince Philip died this morning
by mikeeb. 9th Apr 2021 12:11pm
Joe Biden sticking his nose in again.
by mikeeb. 9th Apr 2021 11:18am
Vaccine yellow card.
by mikeeb. 2nd Apr 2021 10:00am
Lost iPhone 8
by bangbang. 30th Mar 2021 11:25pm
E.U. And vaccine
by cools. 18th Mar 2021 9:09am
New Enthusiast Forums
Lost Dog
by kasper. 23rd Mar 2021 8:32pm
Covid vaccinations in Wirral ?
by philmch. 23rd Mar 2021 5:55pm
keyboard
by steviebyday. 20th Mar 2021 12:02pm
cheap kindle books
by derekdwc. 17th Nov 2020 11:06am
Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 2
by robbo_theman. 23rd Sep 2008 8:58pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sat 6:05am
Sunset Sat 8:17pm
Local Time Sat 6:20am
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1