WikiWirral Wirral's Biggest Online Forum
Forum Statistics
Posts1,011,462
Topics74,708
Members12,815
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs11
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
54 registered members (8HBob, 9 invisible), 1,054 guests, and314 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
432 Bollards
257 Christmas
New General Forums
This Day in 2001
by granny. 29th Nov 2018 11:56am
HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOCOMOTIVE
by snowhite. 24th Nov 2018 2:36pm
Lost my identity
by dingle. 23rd Nov 2018 9:18pm
UN GLOBAL COMPACT FOR REGLAR MIGRATION
by snowhite. 21st Nov 2018 1:09pm
New Wirral History
762 Whitt's End Wine & Cocktail Bar 43 Market Stre
by derekdwc. 29th Nov 2018 11:15pm
758 Withens Lane Sports & Social Club
by derekdwc. 29th Nov 2018 11:11pm
760 'D' COMPANY, 21st BATTALION CHESHIRE HOME GUAR
by derekdwc. 29th Nov 2018 11:06pm
759 Lazy Landlord Ale House 56 Mill Lane Liscard
by derekdwc. 29th Nov 2018 11:04pm
758 The Bow-Legged Beagle 88 Victoria Road, New B
by derekdwc. 29th Nov 2018 10:57pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
WW1 Monument, Birkenhead
No more bridge, never be the same
Topic Replies
Lost Jack Russell
by venice. 9th Dec 2018 10:27pm
BIRDS HOUSE
by granny. 9th Dec 2018 5:31pm
Pool table etc 25x 55" approx
by Snodvan. 9th Dec 2018 10:23am
Sea fishing shelter
by paul110180. 9th Dec 2018 10:13am
For Sale, Dewalt sds drill & Scorpion saw.
by ianyam. 9th Dec 2018 6:01am
What song are you listening to?
by Dilly. 8th Dec 2018 9:21pm
Gay Stress
by BandyCoot. 8th Dec 2018 10:45am
Submarine Assoc Diary lost
by BandyCoot. 8th Dec 2018 10:32am
Mobile phone probs
by cools. 7th Dec 2018 9:28pm
December
M T W T F S S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Christmas
by granny. 5th Dec 2018 11:45am
Shen Yun at Empire Theatre
by granny. 19th Nov 2018 11:47am
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rating 5
100 year old drivers #1053246
6th Mar 2018 7:50pm
6th Mar 2018 7:50pm
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,445
Wirral
C
cools Offline OP
Forum Master
cools  Offline OP
Forum Master
C
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,445
Wirral
Does anybody else get mad when this programme on? It's made out as if it's funny that these old people still driving and making terrible mistakes and either kill themselves or worse kill other people , which has happened many times in the past. I agree that they should have to take a test and definitely should not be driving at a 100!! They so defiant when told they really shouldn't be driving but it's not their lives I worry about it's the innocents!!!!!

Google Ads
Re: 100 year old drivers [Re: cools] #1053251
6th Mar 2018 9:56pm
6th Mar 2018 9:56pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,818
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Offline
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Offline
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,818
Heswallish
Its the old dears i especially watch out for when doing school crossing ..had so many either pretend or actually dont see you standing there like a lemon waving a big stop sign. Even had one slow down giving the impression of stopping then deciding to carry on..think their minds struggle a bit to comprehend the situation.

Re: 100 year old drivers [Re: cools] #1053262
7th Mar 2018 9:58am
7th Mar 2018 9:58am
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,589
wirral
E
Excoriator Offline
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Offline
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,589
wirral
Perhaps self-driving cars will help, fish.

But how would you feel about seeing a car with the occupant fast asleep or reading a newspaper, approaching you?

Re: 100 year old drivers [Re: cools] #1053276
7th Mar 2018 12:37pm
7th Mar 2018 12:37pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,161
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,161
Birkenhead
The statistics show that young drivers cause far more accidents and deaths than old drivers. It would be silly and unfair to "sort out" the old drivers before sorting out the young driver problem.

The stage I'm dreading is when there will be a mix of autonomous and non-autonomous cars on the road. I'm sure that there will be a fair number of idiots using a variety of methods to purposely fool the autonomous cars into making mistakes.

Personally, I think they will have to introduce a cheap compulsory telemetry box on all cars.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: 100 year old drivers [Re: cools] #1053286
7th Mar 2018 4:59pm
7th Mar 2018 4:59pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,589
wirral
E
Excoriator Offline
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Offline
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,589
wirral
The computer will probably keep a record of events, not the least so that the manufacturer can improve the software.

The whole thing seems an ill-informed daft plan to me though. I can't think of a single piece of evidence to support the idea that robots are safer than humans. Rather the reverse is true. Why are even the simple ones used in car manufacturers kept away from human operators when working?

The reason is that their behaviour is not considered predictable enough for it to be safe!

Re: 100 year old drivers [Re: cools] #1053287
7th Mar 2018 6:09pm
7th Mar 2018 6:09pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,161
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,161
Birkenhead
The difference between robots and humans is that the robots obey their limitations, many human drivers haven't got a clue what their limits are and often drive way beyond them.

Tailgating is the simplest form of stupid driving, a human feels safe tailgating because he hasn't crashed and fool themselves in believing they have reactions and control of the vehicle way beyond what is possible.

Every crash is caused by the vehicle being too close to something - by definition.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: 100 year old drivers [Re: diggingdeeper] #1053289
7th Mar 2018 9:22pm
7th Mar 2018 9:22pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 340
Wallasey
H
Habdab Online content
Old Hand
Habdab  Online Content
Old Hand
H
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 340
Wallasey
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
The difference between robots and humans is that the robots obey their limitations, many human drivers haven't got a clue what their limits are and often drive way beyond them.

Tailgating is the simplest form of stupid driving, a human feels safe tailgating because he hasn't crashed and fool themselves in believing they have reactions and control of the vehicle way beyond what is possible.

Every crash is caused by the vehicle being too close to something - by definition.


Like the Scrap Yard?


Fetere sum, ego sum Ergo
Re: 100 year old drivers [Re: cools] #1053290
7th Mar 2018 10:03pm
7th Mar 2018 10:03pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,589
wirral
E
Excoriator Offline
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Offline
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,589
wirral
Quote
...robots obey their limitations...


Well, we are ALL constrained by our limitations - by definition - are we not?

I think you mean robots will reliably follow instructions. Generally they do, until a cosmic ray flips a bit somewhere and it goes crazy! Once a program jumps to the wrong area of memory it can start interpreting data as machine code, and then god knows what it will do!

Re: 100 year old drivers [Re: Excoriator] #1053297
7th Mar 2018 10:43pm
7th Mar 2018 10:43pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,161
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,161
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by Excoriator
Quote
...robots obey their limitations...


Well, we are ALL constrained by our limitations - by definition - are we not? !


No, we are not constrained, we operate beyond our limitations on occasions and rely on luck whether the outcome is as we wish. That is because of what you could call "intelligence", we do not understand absolutes ie nothing is absolute in our minds. If something is stated as an absolute, there will be a human somewhere that says "what if .....".


Originally Posted by Excoriator
I think you mean robots will reliably follow instructions. Generally they do, until a cosmic ray flips a bit somewhere and it goes crazy! Once a program jumps to the wrong area of memory it can start interpreting data as machine code, and then god knows what it will do!


We rely on millions of things not to break all the time - can anyone predict when a brake seal will fail on a car? (noting that most brake seals on cars are not protected by dual circuit brakes).

Road vehicles are possibly the only form of powered transport that have have not been used autonomously for many years. Trains, ships, aeroplanes all have autonomous systems in use.

The cost of adding independent safety systems to check the autonomous system is working correctly is minimal, I doubt if it would add £50 to the cost of the car.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Lost Jack Russell
by venice. 7th Dec 2018 3:07pm
Mobile phone probs
by cools. 6th Dec 2018 5:58pm
Border, no Border. Deal, no Deal
by granny. 5th Dec 2018 11:57am
Christmas
by granny. 4th Dec 2018 3:24pm
Submarine Assoc Diary lost
by BandyCoot. 3rd Dec 2018 4:35pm
For Sale & Free
Sea fishing shelter
by paul110180. 9th Dec 2018 10:13am
Pool table etc 25x 55" approx
by Snodvan. 7th Dec 2018 7:13pm
Hotpoint slimline dishwasher free
by silvertigra. 6th Dec 2018 12:33pm
Black Leather massage recliner chair
by alicia1. 4th Dec 2018 1:40pm
For Sale, Dewalt sds drill & Scorpion saw.
by ianyam. 1st Dec 2018 2:28pm
Member Spotlight
TheComputerLab
TheComputerLab
Wallasey
Posts: 1,270
Joined: May 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Binny, Bluenose61, compozz, Shadowfax, Geebee1959
12815 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Christmas
by granny. 4th Dec 2018 3:24pm
Bollards
by fish5133. 2nd Dec 2018 11:10pm
Contacting an old school friend?
by gerrymoore. 1st Dec 2018 11:29am
What? Did I really hear this??
by venice. 28th Nov 2018 11:03pm
hairdresser
by lincle. 27th Nov 2018 6:51pm
News : New Topics
Mobile phone probs
by cools. 6th Dec 2018 5:58pm
Border, no Border. Deal, no Deal
by granny. 5th Dec 2018 11:57am
Submarine Assoc Diary lost
by BandyCoot. 3rd Dec 2018 4:35pm
Monks Ferry Slipway - Closed
by Jeremy. 3rd Dec 2018 12:46pm
Doorstep Hawkers
by granny. 1st Dec 2018 5:15pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Lost Jack Russell
by venice. 7th Dec 2018 3:07pm
Budgie Found
by flybynight. 1st Dec 2018 4:33pm
CAT
by lincle. 29th Nov 2018 11:00pm
Sky TV
by Peter0787. 29th Nov 2018 9:21pm
John Lennon
by cools. 25th Nov 2018 10:51am
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sun 8:16am
Sunset Sun 3:53pm
Local Time Sun 10:49pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1