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Re: RSPCA at it Again [Re: fish5133] #1052542
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Reading that there are two issues.

Firstly the Charity Commission are not happy about the way the RSPCA is managing its public image, but of course, the problem here is that its public image is managed by the media who know the RSPCA can't defend itself and makes for easy cheap sensational press. Perhaps they don't lay on enough free drinks and gizzits to keep the media personnel happy?

Secondly, the RSPCA have dared to take on fox hunting and of course there are repercussions from those on high with friends in appropriate places.

In the past the triggers against them have been their stance on badger baiting and similar matters.

There is nothing else, all the rest is general-isms and meaningless words in the usual negativity from the media.

Any organisation dealing with over a million events a year are going to make a handful of mistakes or questionable judgements. There are going to be disagreements at board level (name an organisation where there aren't!). There are extremely few specific substantiated cases against the RSPCA but there are an awful amount of negative words from the media.

What is the alternative? Another organisation that would probably cost more and do no better?

The SPCA was formed in 1824 (becoming "Royal" in 1840) specifically because being a society enabled them to take out private prosecutions, that was their remit from day one where all other avenues of prevention of cruelty to animals were either thwarted or inappropriate.


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Heresay , but from a trusted friend . Sad to hear today of two fairly recent cases in Liverpool where the RSPCA seem to have fallen short of expectations. Both concern cats. First case was my friends relative whos next door neighbour died suddenly . He carried on feeding their two cats , anticipating that the deceased's family would take them once the funeral was over and house cleared. This didnt happen and the cats just got left . All pleas to take the cats fell on deaf ears at the RSPCA , they were just too full and said no .The elderly guy was left searching for homes himself. The same RSPCA refused to come for a cat with kittens that had been hanging around the property of another relative for over a week again, no space . Didnt hear the outcome of that one. I know they do their best , but Im glad they are making decisions not to fight expensive fox hunting cases if it means they can afford more inspectors. What are people supposed to do though when all rescues are full and even the RSPCA turns them away .

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I must be reading this wrong, next door neighbour died suddenly, All pleas to take the cats fell on deaf ears at the RSPCA , they were just too full and said no .The elderly guy was left searching for homes himself.

but he's dead or have I miss read this?

sorry if I upset anyone



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The next door neighbour of the old guy died. The old guy carried on feeding THEIR cats. Come on assassin...the earthquake must have rearranged a few grey matter cells..


Just had a phone call from one of my customers (who is disabled) complaining about the neghbours 6 cats that are fouling the back entry he has to take his bins along..comes back covered in cat crap and walked it in his house..yuk . Already got him £20 worth of cat repellant stuff for his lawn which works but just moves the problem along. Wellies the next answer.

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Yes, your are correct fish , but I probably could have put it more clearly . Two old people involved living next door to each other . One died and the other, my friends relative, was the one who ended up trying to home the cats.

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Sad fact that the RSPCA has lost loads of income through the media hype and have had to make cutbacks. Cats generally find ways to be fed and if they aren't sick or malnourished are a low priority when it comes to rescue services. Very few cats that are let outdoors unsupervised are only fed by one household.

There are at least three cat rescue organisations that cover the Wirral and there are other animal organisations as well.


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Cats breeding are a major problem.

My understanding is that the R.S.P.C.A do neuter feral cats if they are aware of them ?

However, it is also down to the 'servants' of domesticated cats to neuter them, too- lets stop this cycle of too many un-wanted kitties.

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Originally Posted by venice
Yes, your are correct fish , but I probably could have put it more clearly .ts.
You did explain it clearly, Venice.


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Now I'm off to Google the R.S.P.C.A s stance on fox hunting!? Fox hunting disgusts me.


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If convicted it's possible that you can be classed as a Schedule one offender which can have massive ramifications. Happened to a client of mine.

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On the subject of cats , doing their business outside , my 2 daughters kitten nearly one , go,s out for a while , then comes in to toilet, WONT GO OUTSIDE , or do you mean feral cats .I FIND THE SMELL OVER POWERING ......... even with antibacterial cat litter .

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Originally Posted by Frohickey
If convicted it's possible that you can be classed as a Schedule one offender which can have massive ramifications. Happened to a client of mine.
What hunting you mean ?

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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Cats breeding are a major problem.

My understanding is that the R.S.P.C.A do neuter feral cats if they are aware of them ?

However, it is also down to the 'servants' of domesticated cats to neuter them, too- lets stop this cycle of too many un-wanted kitties.


But how is the big question. The message isnt getting through.
The attached file in your original post showing how one uneutered cat , breeding in yr one, can lead to over 2 millions cats by year 8 if neutering wasnt ever carried out on her & the offspring , demonstrates well why its false economy for the RSPCA to turn their backs on roaming cats with kittens in tow.( no matter if its feral or not) Totally agree with you its the owners responsibility to prevent their moggies getting pregnant . Trouble is, theres too many people who are oblivious to the bigger picture and just think how cute it would be to let their cat breed ' so the kids can see a birth etc ' and find it dead easy to find homes because they give them away to virtually anyone. Frequently the sort of recipients who took the kitten/s as a knee jerk reaction, often cant afford/dont bother to neuter ,didnt really think about keeping a cat longterm , chuck them out, etc etc and the cycle continues . Makes me even crosser than hunting because of the numbers involved -

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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Now I'm off to Google the R.S.P.C.A s stance on fox hunting!? Fox hunting disgusts me.


Im not sure what the latest position is, Im not up to date but I know theres been a lot of controversy over them spending thousands on prosecutions , and they have or are about to have a new CEO who has promised the charity will become less political , and concentrate mainly on domestic animals .I hate hunting too and want law breakers prosecuted , but it seems the RSPCA cant fund everything , and they seem to be treating it as an eithe/or situation.

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Originally Posted by venice
Trouble is, theres too many people who are oblivious to the bigger picture and just think how cute it would be to let their cat breed ' so the kids can see a birth etc ' and find it dead easy to find homes because they give them away to virtually anyone. Frequently the sort of recipients who took the kitten/s as a knee jerk reaction, often cant afford/dont bother to neuter ,didnt really think about keeping a cat longterm , chuck them out, etc etc and the cycle continues . Makes me even crosser than hunting because of the numbers involved -


And the myth that its better for female cats and dogs to have one litter. Its simply not true, all the behavioural advantages of getting them spayed/neutered work even better the sooner they are done, likewise for the considerable reduced risk of cancer.

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Im not sure what the latest position is, Im not up to date but I know theres been a lot of controversy over them spending thousands on prosecutions , and they have or are about to have a new CEO who has promised the charity will become less political , and concentrate mainly on domestic animals .I hate hunting too and want law breakers prosecuted , but it seems the RSPCA cant fund everything , and they seem to be treating it as an eithe/or situation.


The RSPCA can't do right for doing right, the media are permanently on the attack, if they reduce the fox hunting prosecutions to appease the media then they will be lambasted for that as well. In reality the prosecutions do not cost them a huge amount of money because most are successful and they get awarded costs, but that doesn't make good press does it!


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