WikiWirral values you and your opinion.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,007,838
Topics74,539
Members12,742
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs42
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
54 registered members (alan128, 11 invisible), 1,115 guests, and342 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
How The Victorians Built Britain - Sewers
by diggingdeeper. 8th Sep 2018 11:09pm
Bavarian Cleavages !
by granny. 8th Sep 2018 11:48am
Mr Jeremy Fisher 2017 50p piece
by Peter0787. 7th Sep 2018 12:35pm
River Mersey
by granny. 6th Sep 2018 11:34pm
New Wirral History
Mersey Tunnel tolls, 1934
by yoller. 21st Sep 2018 9:32am
Family tree
by Hannah90. 5th Sep 2018 6:02pm
When were Ivy Street houses built?
by yoller. 28th Aug 2018 4:40pm
Hope Street New Brighton
by cutespam. 25th Aug 2018 10:00pm
1970's Murder in Central Park, Wallasey
by cutespam. 4th Aug 2018 11:28am
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
No more bridge, never be the same
Over Exposed Crash Site
Topic Replies
Labour Party Conference - Liverpool
by Excoriator. 23rd Sep 2018 11:09pm
What song are you listening to?
by Dilly. 23rd Sep 2018 8:50pm
£795,000 for a football pitch ?
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 11:07pm
More threats to Wirral's Green Belt
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 7:48pm
Salt and Blood Pressure
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 7:42pm
Ipad mini
by lincle. 22nd Sep 2018 7:29pm
Mersey Tunnel tolls, 1934
by yoller. 22nd Sep 2018 7:18pm
M53 Junction 1
by Moonstar. 22nd Sep 2018 2:58pm
Electric Bass Guitar / and amp
by gerrymoore. 22nd Sep 2018 8:54am
September
M T W T F S S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Giant Puppets Wirral
by oldpm01. 13th Sep 2018 3:53pm
Wirral Heritage Week
by granny. 10th Sep 2018 9:31am
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rating 5
Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls #1051111
8th Jan 2018 3:28pm
8th Jan 2018 3:28pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
E
Excoriator Online content OP
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Online Content OP
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
On top of the 400 announced last October.

Pretty obviously the company is moving out of the UK and into France, but doing it by Salami slices so nobody will notice.

Would this be the B***it effect I wonder?

Google Ads
Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051123
8th Jan 2018 4:55pm
8th Jan 2018 4:55pm
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 445
birkenhead
dustymclean Offline

Smartchild
dustymclean  Offline

Smartchild
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 445
birkenhead
Would this be the B***it effect I wonder?
The answer is no! four hundred jobs to cut a shift out was never going to be a final figure. Why they decided to announce the figures this way, I have no idea.They are pretty thick salami slices if that's the way you see it. Vauxhall have gone from three to one shift before for no other reason than market trends.Peoples livelihoods are on the line here and should not be used for puerile speculation to bolster the myth that Brexit is the cause of all the countries ills.

Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051124
8th Jan 2018 5:15pm
8th Jan 2018 5:15pm
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 495
Wallasey
Gold_Moon Offline
Smartchild
Gold_Moon  Offline
Smartchild
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 495
Wallasey
Every company that decides to leave the UK simply because the majority of the country democratically voted to go back to making our own laws, and being represented and governed by people that we've VOTED for, instead of self-elected, bureaucratic MEP's, (each one costing the tax payer 3 times as much as an MP!) should have their goods slapped with customs duties when it comes into this country!

Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051132
8th Jan 2018 5:46pm
8th Jan 2018 5:46pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
E
Excoriator Online content OP
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Online Content OP
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
It's not leaving because the majority voted for brexit. It's leaving because brexit is a crappy deal for Vauxhall. They will have to pay to move product to Europe if we end up with no deal. Only a fool would not move production out to Europe under such an arrangement. It might not happen, but staying is a gamble and companies always seek to minimise risk.

I am very sorry indeed for the people who work at Vauxhall, but this is exactly the sort of thing that was predicted in 'project fear' and protecting their jobs was to me a lot more important than sovereignty or taking back control which was why I voted to remain. It will not be the end either. I am afraid that the factory is doomed unless we remain in the customs union.


Last edited by Excoriator; 8th Jan 2018 5:47pm.
Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051134
8th Jan 2018 6:26pm
8th Jan 2018 6:26pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,912
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,912
Birkenhead
USA has put a lot of financial and political pressure on American companies operating factories abroad.

Demand for cars has gone down recently.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051138
8th Jan 2018 8:02pm
8th Jan 2018 8:02pm
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 99
wirral
S
stanb Offline
Enthusiast
stanb  Offline
Enthusiast
S
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 99
wirral
On top of the 650 job losses at the factory there are a number of losses in the supply chain also so final number will be many more. If and when second shift resumes they will probably be temporary, so they can be used as and when needed.

Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051139
8th Jan 2018 9:15pm
8th Jan 2018 9:15pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
E
Excoriator Online content OP
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Online Content OP
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
I think Vauxhall is owned by a French Company, but really it's irrelevant who owns it. The logic of business is universal. It it's more profitable elsewhere - that's where it goes.

I believe the government in a state of panic agreed to pay the tariffs on exports into Europe from Nissan in the hope of keeping them here, but that will come out of the tax you pay. Can they afford to do this on all exports from the UK into the EU?

Ask, rather, if YOU can afford to do this. If it is done, you will doing the paying.

Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051142
8th Jan 2018 9:44pm
8th Jan 2018 9:44pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,912
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,912
Birkenhead
Yes, GM sold to PSA which is what has kicked this off. PSA get illegal Government subsidies (from more than one country) which so far have not been penalised by the EU or WTC

Money isn't everything otherwise all businesses would be in China, India, Pakistan, Korea etc. This is blatantly not true as PSA are moving work from Korea to Europe and more specifically Russelsheim (Germany).

PSA said in November 2017 "We intend to achieve all our goals without plant closures and without forced redundancies" in their formal statement of the future of Vauxhall/Opel HERE


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051154
9th Jan 2018 9:02am
9th Jan 2018 9:02am
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
E
Excoriator Online content OP
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Online Content OP
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
No company manufacturing for the whole of Europe can afford to stay behind a tariff barrier for long, whatever its intentions are.

If we leave with a 'hard' brexit then these tariff barriers will remain and companies like Vauxhall will not stay here long. We could perhaps keep them with a 'soft' brexit, but that would leave us in the customs union with no control over how the rules will change over time. This means rather than taking back control we are abandoning it entirely! The logic of this is that we will not be allowed to make trade agreements with countries outside the EU because that would clearly subvert their customs barriers.

Brexiteers seem to me stuck firmly between a rock and a hard place. Mrs May and the EU have already agreed a 'no borders' policy between the Republic of Ireland and the UK which implies a 'soft' brexit, but I doubt that's what many brexiteers want. Those who want a 'hard' exit can kiss goodbye to many companies like Vauxhall, manufacturing stuff for the whole of Europe.

Your choice.


Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051156
9th Jan 2018 9:52am
9th Jan 2018 9:52am
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,977
Oxton
Gibbo Offline
Forum Addict
Gibbo  Offline
Forum Addict
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,977
Oxton
Isn't it more a case of running down the business and eliminating its rival rather than blaming Brexit?

And lets not forget this:

PSA seeks 705m refund from GM over Opel and Vauxhall emissions

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxha...from-gm-over-opel-and-vauxhall-emissions

Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Excoriator] #1051167
9th Jan 2018 12:35pm
9th Jan 2018 12:35pm
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 445
birkenhead
dustymclean Offline

Smartchild
dustymclean  Offline

Smartchild
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 445
birkenhead
Vauxhall is an assembly plant, 75% of the components are manufactured abroad and about 65% of that is EU. The assembly is the lean end of manufacturing the added value being labour intensive and logistically challenging. When a car carrier brings in a few thousand Corsa (made in Spain) rather than go back empty they load a few thousand Astra (made in England)
Business is no fool.

Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: Gibbo] #1051183
9th Jan 2018 6:22pm
9th Jan 2018 6:22pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
E
Excoriator Online content OP
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Online Content OP
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
Originally Posted by Gibbo
Isn't it more a case of running down the business and eliminating its rival rather than blaming Brexit?

And lets not forget this:

PSA seeks 705m refund from GM over Opel and Vauxhall emissions

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxha...from-gm-over-opel-and-vauxhall-emissions


I'd say no. It is a matter of not having to pay import duty on cars going from the UK to the EU.

I don't see legal actions between companies as being anything abnormal. They do it all the time. Nothing to do with tariff barriers.

Re: Another 250 jobs to go at Vauxhalls [Re: dustymclean] #1051184
9th Jan 2018 6:25pm
9th Jan 2018 6:25pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
E
Excoriator Online content OP
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Online Content OP
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,551
wirral
Originally Posted by dustymclean
Vauxhall is an assembly plant, 75% of the components are manufactured abroad and about 65% of that is EU. The assembly is the lean end of manufacturing the added value being labour intensive and logistically challenging. When a car carrier brings in a few thousand Corsa (made in Spain) rather than go back empty they load a few thousand Astra (made in England)
Business is no fool.


What will they do when they have to pay hundreds of pounds of duty on each car? Use a much smaller carrier for a start. More expensive cars = fewer sold.


Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Labour Party Conference - Liverpool
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Sep 2018 4:16am
Salt and Blood Pressure
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 7:42pm
Ipad mini
by lincle. 22nd Sep 2018 7:29pm
Mersey Tunnel tolls, 1934
by yoller. 21st Sep 2018 9:32am
Cowards on scramber bike, Saturday 15th Sept
by keef666. 16th Sep 2018 4:24pm
For Sale & Free
Electric Bass Guitar / and amp
by gerrymoore. 22nd Sep 2018 8:54am
ps3 console
by tommybarry. 17th Sep 2018 4:55pm
50'' bush led
by Dilly. 14th Sep 2018 6:05pm
Belling Range Gas Cooker
by DJDuck. 30th Aug 2018 11:39am
Dining room table & chairs
by DJDuck. 30th Aug 2018 9:25am
Member Spotlight
Littlebear
Littlebear
Wirral
Posts: 220
Joined: June 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Aatami, rodofcv, Dave1960, WargamerNik, Busterthedog
12742 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Ipad mini
by lincle. 22nd Sep 2018 7:29pm
£795,000 for a football pitch ?
by granny. 15th Sep 2018 11:27pm
Black Pearl
by venice. 13th Sep 2018 6:40pm
Giant Puppets Wirral
by granny. 13th Sep 2018 10:23am
Part Time Maintenance Job
by Reno37. 12th Sep 2018 5:36pm
News : New Topics
Labour Party Conference - Liverpool
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Sep 2018 4:16am
Cowards on scramber bike, Saturday 15th Sept
by keef666. 16th Sep 2018 4:24pm
Mother Nature's fury
by cools. 14th Sep 2018 6:45pm
Willy Wonka Dead !
by fish5133. 10th Sep 2018 1:04am
The Daily Mail News today
by granny. 9th Sep 2018 10:55am
New Enthusiast Forums
Salt and Blood Pressure
by diggingdeeper. 22nd Sep 2018 7:42pm
John Lewis advert
by cools. 12th Sep 2018 5:51pm
Escaped Yorkie type dog
by venice. 2nd Sep 2018 8:18pm
Tunnel Tolls
by fish5133. 31st Aug 2018 12:30am
Help !!!
by Dilly. 28th Aug 2018 7:12pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sun 7:00am
Sunset Sun 7:08pm
Local Time Sun 11:40pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1