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Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: Greenwood] #1050966
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have to have a rethink about where to stop for lunch during the week. If they give the first half hour free no problem otherwise its sit in the car dont pay and move when mr warden appears. If the supermarkets play it right they could undercut the council and get people parking there..but sure WBC thought of that

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Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: venice] #1050968
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Originally Posted by venice
people soon forget that Labour left us with no money.


The Tories have ALWAYS borrowed more money than Labour, on top of that they have probably sold more national assets. Its a complete fallacy that the Tories have better financial control, they just lie better.


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Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: Greenwood] #1050973
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Personally I dont think theres much to pick between them in their ability to play fast and loose with finances , butI was really just making the point that which ever lot is in , people have this tendency to completely forget the bad things that the 'out' lot did and imagine that once theyre back in, everything will be ok again.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by venice
people soon forget that Labour left us with no money.


The Tories have ALWAYS borrowed more money than Labour, on top of that they have probably sold more national assets. Its a complete fallacy that the Tories have better financial control, they just lie better.


Labour always throws it away , due to complete incompetence and free t/shirts !


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Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: fish5133] #1050976
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Originally Posted by fish5133
I seem to remember all the austerity stuff kicked off when the Cons got into power because Lab had emptied the coffers..The infamous note on the new chancellors desk..."Good Luck..theres no money left"


Reginauld Maudling, 1964 google

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Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: Greenwood] #1050977
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Well all the Governments between 1946 and 1990 did a pretty good job of the economy in terms of debt against growth, then we went into American style politics ie right-wing and showmanship.

Labour has repaid debt nearly twice as many years as the Tories and repaid about five times as much debt whilst not being in office as long.

Corbyn is the best candidate to bring us back to a proper Government who cares for the majority of the people, it is over thirty eight years since we last had anything like a left-wing Government. Perversely the 1978 Labour Government was ousted for keeping the economy under control and was followed by Thatcher who did the same things but much more harshly and gave money to the rich (which she later admitted was a mistake).


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Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1050985
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We as a country, also had to pay off the debt of the WWII. I think it was John Major who finished that off, and strangely enough, it was 15 yrs before a Tory Government was re-elected and they've been in for 7 yrs starting with 'no money on the coffers'


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Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: Greenwood] #1050996
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Blair had a Tory Government, it was more right-wing than many Conservative Governments.

Brown was a loon as PM, you can't really classify his random nonsense as left or right wing, it was always about himself and his self-importance so could be classed as ultra-right.

All the previous Governments to Major's also paid of some of that WW2 debt, there were a total of 50 payments made not just the one.

We are in debt, all Governments had "no money in the coffers", Labour Governments managed to borrow less than the Conservative Governments.

The Conservatives borrow more AND take more, all that money is going somewhere and it isn't going to the general population.



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Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: Greenwood] #1051002
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In 60 seconds without repetition,hesitation, or deviation can anyone explain difference between right and left wing politics.. Was not my favourite subject at school

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One is a rich self interested arsehole, the other can be a rich or poor self interested arsehole.

Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: fish5133] #1051012
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Originally Posted by fish5133
In 60 seconds without repetition,hesitation, or deviation can anyone explain difference between right and left wing politics.. Was not my favourite subject at school


For economy/employment purposes:-

Right wing is believing in supporting businesses and the money should flow downwards to the workers/population (capitalism). Extreme right is slavery and doing the minimum to keep the workforce alive.

Left wing is believing in supporting the people who then will be viable workers (socialism). Extreme left is equal division of everything.



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Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: Greenwood] #1051046
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cheers chaps...seems we have deviated from the original topic...parking charges.

Re: Parking charges on Wirral's promenades? [Re: Greenwood] #1051064
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One solution is for everybody to park in the nearest roads to those where parking charges exist. If they are causing traffic chaos by doing so,these idiots of councillors might then see the error of their ways.
If WBC needs money then perhaps they should use some of their huge reserves.

Bob.

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except they double yellow them. I do most my shopping on internet now as its often easier and cheaper than driving to town and fuel and parking charges.



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Originally Posted by 8HBob
If WBC needs money then perhaps they should use some of their huge reserves.


Whilst the council has about 100m in reserves, 55m is earmarked reserves so their general reserve is only 45m (after using up 13m+ of their general reserves last year).

As the council is about 50m in debt these reserves are loans and not true reserves (I guess they could be called ring fenced options?).

One area I do question is having 210 employees costing more than 50k (plus three officers costing more than 170k). I think that is extravagant. This is even worse when you consider some services are sub-contracted and some of the contractors employees providing services for the council will also be costing more than 50k, there is no way of identifying the numbers of these. There are also those public employees from Merseyside/City Council with extravagant salaries.


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